<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716</id><updated>2012-01-13T20:17:37.948+11:00</updated><category term='Pakistan Christadelphians'/><category term='Foundations'/><category term='Robert Ashcroft'/><category term='The Apostles&apos; Doctrine'/><category term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category term='Fellowship'/><category term='Beatitudes'/><category term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><category term='Prophecy'/><category term='SWOT analysis'/><category term='Holy Spirit'/><category term='Trinity'/><category term='Preaching'/><category term='Edward Turney'/><category term='Benjamin Wilson'/><category term='Exclusivism (in fellowship)'/><category term='Unity (and diversity)'/><category term='Sermon on the mount'/><category term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><category term='What is the Gospel?'/><category term='Lord&apos;s table'/><category term='Church'/><category term='Gnosticism'/><category term='Legalism'/><category term='Neither male nor female'/><category term='Wrested Scriptures (fellowship)'/><category term='Authoritarianism'/><category term='Faith'/><category term='Intimacy with God'/><category term='Women&apos;s roles'/><category term='Doctrine and Conduct'/><category term='Video clips (songs)'/><category term='Middle East'/><category term='Christadelphian history'/><category term='George Dowie'/><category term='Grace'/><category term='Mistranslations'/><title type='text'>The Truth Will Set You Free</title><subtitle type='html'>This weblog is addressed mainly to Christadelphians. Its purpose is to appeal to them to take a fresh look at what the Gospel is all about and to focus on the things that are really important in proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default?start-index=101&amp;max-results=100'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>295</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4956985258500402234</id><published>2012-01-03T12:36:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2012-01-03T12:36:20.340+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Speaking well of God</title><content type='html'>It has been said (and probably rightly so) that the Book of Job is about "speaking well of God". I have continued my series of articles on Job on my blog 'Diary of a Biblical scholar' with a post about this: &lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/to-speak-well-of-god/"&gt;http://stephencook.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/to-speak-well-of-god/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4956985258500402234?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4956985258500402234/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4956985258500402234' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4956985258500402234'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4956985258500402234'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2012/01/speaking-well-of-god.html' title='Speaking well of God'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6828088816091081997</id><published>2011-12-12T14:02:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2011-12-12T14:10:09.034+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Job, and some implications for Christadelphian theology</title><content type='html'>I have been posting on my &lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/"&gt;new blog&lt;/a&gt; about the Book of Job and in my latest post I started to discuss some theological implications. As some of these relate to Christadelphians ideas about sin, human nature and inherited consequences of Adam's sin, I thought I would open it up here for anyone who wished to discuss the implications for Christadelphians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a snippet from my &lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/job-humanity-at-its-best/"&gt;latest post&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong. (Job 1:22 ESV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Job is described in the prologue to the book as a perfect man, blameless, upright, sinless, pious, and possibly the wisest of the wise. The Hebrew word translated "blameless" (or "perfect" in KJV) is תם and means whole, complete, lacking in nothing, fully integrated. In other words, he represented humanity at its best. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are echoes here of the Garden of Eden: one "representative" human couple being put to the test, with consequences for humanity; the test administered by a snake in one story and by the Adversary in the other. However, it's the Genesis story which has received the most attention by theologians and which has had the greatest impact on Christian dogma about sin, suffering and human nature (although less so in Jewish dogma). No doubt this has been the result of the huge impact which &lt;a data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine" title="Augustine of Hippo"&gt;Augustine&lt;/a&gt; had on the formation on Christian dogma. Augustine argued that suffering is not caused by God; rather, the exercise of free will by humans has led to sin and suffering in the world as just punishment for Adam's disobedience. Augustine's view was that all of humanity was seminally present in the loins of Adam, so all of humanity is punished. The sin of Adam (or, in some Protestant theologies, the consequences of his sin) is inherited by all human beings so that humanity is utterly depraved in nature. Augustine's view differed in this from &lt;a data-mce-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus" title="Irenaeus"&gt;Irenaeus&lt;/a&gt; who earlier argued that evil comes from God in order to allow humans to develop morally and spiritually.&lt;br /&gt;But both viewpoints are challenged by the Book of Job where:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;God is directly responsible for Job's suffering&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Job suffered "for no reason" and as he was "whole, perfect, fully integrated" no moral or spiritual development was necessary&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Job is not presented as in any way depraved or sinful - on the contrary, he is upheld as blameless and sinless&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Suffering is not a punishment or consequence for sin.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;If you would like to discuss the Book of Job in general please post your comments on my other blog. If you wish to discuss the implications for Christadelphians specifically, please feel free to comment here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6828088816091081997?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6828088816091081997/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6828088816091081997' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6828088816091081997'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6828088816091081997'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2011/12/job-and-some-implications-for.html' title='Job, and some implications for Christadelphian theology'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-558506041579717484</id><published>2011-11-28T13:24:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2011-11-28T13:24:07.962+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Blogging again!</title><content type='html'>Even though it’s been over two years since I last blogged here,  I am regularly surprised by the number of hits I still get every week, and by the number of emails I receive asking when I  am going to start blogging again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, after a long break, I have decided to blog again, for a few reasons. However, two years is a long time, and my ideas on some  things have changed or are in a state of flux. I don't want to simply pick up where I left off here. This blog was directed mainly to members of the Christadelphian community and addressed issues which I felt were important to that group. But now I would like to write for a broader audience, so I have created a &lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/"&gt;new blog&lt;/a&gt; and plan to write there about my &lt;em&gt;current&lt;/em&gt; musings, the things that are occupying my mind at &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; point in time. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’ve called it &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/"&gt;Diary of a Biblical scholar&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/i&gt;and it will be about what I am pondering&lt;em&gt; today –&amp;nbsp; &lt;/em&gt;although perhaps by tomorrow my thoughts may very well have moved on, perhaps to return later with fresh insights and perspectives. Please visit me there, give me some feedback, leave your comments, and continue with my on my journey. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://stephencook.wordpress.com/"&gt;http://stephencook.wordpress.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-558506041579717484?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/558506041579717484/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=558506041579717484' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/558506041579717484'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/558506041579717484'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2011/11/blogging-again.html' title='Blogging again!'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-223015773443000276</id><published>2009-04-26T12:49:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-26T12:54:44.836+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (11)</title><content type='html'>The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Didache &lt;/span&gt;was probably written in the 2nd century. About the celebration of the Lord’s supper it says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup: We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which Thou madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And concerning the broken bread: We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever."&lt;/blockquote&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Didache &lt;/span&gt;makes no mention of the Last Supper, or of the “body” or “blood” of Christ. It appears that for the earliest Christians the "breaking of bread" was a communal meal and was not viewed as a "memorial" of Christ's death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It wasn't until Augustine of Hippo (355-430 AD) who was heavily influenced by Neo-Platonism and Greek and Roman rhetoric that the concept of “original sin” was developed. Augustine argued that the effects of “the Fall” were transmitted to Adam’s descendants who inherited his guilt. (He was also the first to demand that the “sacrament” of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Eucharist &lt;/span&gt;had to be performed by ordained clergy in order to be valid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the first time the atonement began to be tied to the celebration of the Lord’s supper, the validity of the sacraments [and sacraments performed by dissidents were regarded as invalid], and the authority of religious leaders). He laid the groundwork for theologians such as the fourth century Gregory of Nyssa who argued that Christ’s death was a ransom paid to Satan, and the eleventh century Anselm of Canterbury who developed a “satisfaction” theory, arguing that the debt was in fact paid to God.  Thomas Aquinas and John Calvin further refined these theories into the view that Jesus’ death was necessary to meet the demands of divine justice.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-223015773443000276?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/223015773443000276/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=223015773443000276' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/223015773443000276'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/223015773443000276'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-and-kingdom-11.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (11)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2523286122117320847</id><published>2009-04-19T14:30:00.000+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-19T14:36:39.456+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (10)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE LAMB OF GOD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Gospel of John records an incident when John the Baptist saw Jesus coming towards him and he said: ""Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29-35).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not the only time in the New Testament that Jesus is referred to as a lamb. Other places are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture:&lt;br /&gt; "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,&lt;br /&gt;    and as a lamb before the shearer is silent,&lt;br /&gt;    so he did not open his mouth."  (Acts 8:32, quoting Isaiah 53:7)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Corinthians 5:7)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. (1 Peter 1:18-19)&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Revelation refers to "the Lamb" about 30 times, including the following verses which speak of a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;slain &lt;/span&gt;lamb, or the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;blood &lt;/span&gt;of the lamb:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain" (5:6)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain" (5:12)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (7:15)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony" (12:11)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"... the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." (13:8)&lt;/blockquote&gt;In most places in The Revelation the term "the Lamb" is used as a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;title&lt;/span&gt;, rather than being a metaphorical reference to a slain animal. For example, chapters 19 and 21 refer to the Lamb's marriage and to his bride - hardly part of a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;slain lamb&lt;/span&gt; analogy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what do these passages mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is commonly assumed that the slain lamb analogy is a reference to a sacrificial animal under the Law of Moses which was therefore a "type" of Christ, and that as the blood of the animal made an atonement for sins so the shedding of Christ's blood in crucifixion was a sacrificial atonement for sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, there are a number of problems with this assumption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Almost all the NT references are alluding to the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Passover &lt;/span&gt;lamb. The passage in 1 Corinthians is explicitly to "Christ our Passover" (strictly speaking, the word "lamb" is absent in the Greek - the translators have inserted it as it is implied) and 1 Peter speaks about being redeemed &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(set free&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;liberated&lt;/span&gt;) - an allusion to freedom from Egyptian slavery which Passover celebrates (and in the context of 1 Peter it is freedom from "the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers", almost certainly referring to Pharisaic Judaism).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Passover lamb was not sacrificed as an atonement or for the forgiveness of sins.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is sometimes assumed that the slain lamb analogy is an allusion to the Day of Atonement when Israel's sins were forgiven and blood was sprinkled on the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy Place. However, it was a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;goat &lt;/span&gt;that was slain on the Day of Atonement, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;a lamb. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;For the daily sin offerings bulls and goats were most frequently sacrificed. Hence Hebrews says "it is impossible for the blood of &lt;b&gt;bulls&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;b&gt;goats&lt;/b&gt; to take away sins" (10:14). If a lamb was offered it had to be a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;female &lt;/span&gt;lamb (e.g. Lev 4:32; 5:6). Lambs were also offered as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;burnt &lt;/span&gt;offerings, but when they were they were distinguished from &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sin &lt;/span&gt;offerings (e.g.  Lev 12:6 "a year-old &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lamb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;for a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;burnt &lt;/span&gt;offering and a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;young pigeon&lt;/span&gt; or a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;dove &lt;/span&gt;for a &lt;b&gt;sin&lt;/b&gt; offering"; Num 6:14 when a Nazirite completed his vow he was to bring  "a year-old male &lt;b style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;lamb&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;without defect for a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;burnt &lt;/span&gt;offering, a year-old ewe [&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;female&lt;/span&gt;] &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lamb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;without defect for a &lt;b&gt;sin&lt;/b&gt; offering, a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ram &lt;/span&gt;without defect for a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;fellowship &lt;/span&gt;offering ..."). Burnt offerings and fellowship offerings were not for atonement or forgiveness of sins.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Isaiah 53 reference to a lamb is to a sheep being led to its shearers or for slaughter, but not necessarily being led to the altar as a sacrificial victim. The metaphor (" &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;like &lt;/span&gt;a sheep to the slaughter, and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;as &lt;/span&gt;a lamb &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;before the shearer&lt;/span&gt;") were both in reference to the sheep/lamb being "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;silent&lt;/span&gt;" - "so he did not open his mouth". We should not push the metaphor beyond what the prophet clearly intended. The sheep/lamb was "before the shearer", not "before the priest". The metaphor was about being &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;silent &lt;/span&gt;like a sheep, not being sacrificed as an offering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;So what did John the Baptist mean when he said "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Geza Vermes, professor of Jewish Studies at Oxford University and a renowned scholar and expert in the Judaism and Aramaic of the time of Jesus,  has pointed out that the title &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Lamb of God&lt;/span&gt; does not necessarily refer to the metaphor of a sacrificial animal. He points out that in Galilean Aramaic the word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;talya&lt;/span&gt; (literally "lamb") had the common meaning of "male child". This is akin to "kid" meaning "child" in modern colloquial English. The female equivalent of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;talya &lt;/span&gt;was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;talitha&lt;/span&gt;, literally "ewe lamb" and figuratively "girl" (the word is found in the narrative of the daughter of Jairus. Mark 5:41). &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It is a term of endearment.&lt;/span&gt; Thus, "Lamb of God" could have been a colloquial way of saying "Son of God" or "God's Kid".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Understood this way John the Baptist was saying "Look, the dear child of God, God's little pet-lamb, the one who will remove sin!"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2523286122117320847?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2523286122117320847/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2523286122117320847' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2523286122117320847'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2523286122117320847'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-and-kingdom-10.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (10)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-7509784793504894771</id><published>2009-04-14T20:49:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-19T14:38:10.976+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (9)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;“AN ATONING SACRIFICE”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The NIV refers to Christ as “an atoning sacrifice” or “sacrifice of atonement”, while other translations used words such as “propitiation”, a term almost never heard in conversation outside a theological context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These expressions are translations of a small group of words related to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;mercy &lt;/span&gt;which together occur only eight times in the NT (three times in Hebrews).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;hileos&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hileos &lt;/span&gt;originally meant cheerful, or joyous and eventually acquired the additional meaning of benevolent, gracious or merciful. It occurs twice in the NT.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Matt 16:22 “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Never&lt;/span&gt;, Lord”. The Greek here is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hileos soi, Kyrie&lt;/span&gt; and literally means, “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Be merciful to yourself&lt;/span&gt;, Lord”.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Heb 8:12 (quoting Jer 31:31-34) “I will &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;forgive &lt;/span&gt;their wickedness” or “I will be &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;merciful &lt;/span&gt;with regard to their iniquities” or “I will &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;pardon &lt;/span&gt;them”.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Rom 3:25 “God presented him as a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sacrifice of atonement&lt;/span&gt; through faith in his blood.”&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Heb 9:5 “Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the atonement cover&lt;/span&gt;.”&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Related to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hileos &lt;/span&gt;(merciful) is the Greek &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion &lt;/span&gt;which literally means &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;mercy seat&lt;/span&gt;,  the lid or cover of the Ark of the Covenant, where God promised to meet His people (Ex 25:17, 22; 29:42; 30:36) and where God was said to appear in a cloud (Lev 16:2). The mercy seat was called the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kapporet &lt;/span&gt;in Hebrew - a word which always referred to the lid or cover of the Ark, and which the Septuagint Greek translates with the word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was from between the cherubim above the mercy seat where God spoke to Moses (Num 7:89). The Holy of Holies was later referred to as the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;house of the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;kapporet&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(1 Chron 28:11).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God was said to be “enthroned between the cherubim” i.e. above the lid of the Ark (1 Sam 4:4; 2 Sam 6:2; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chron 13:6; Psalm 80:1; 99:1; Isa 37:16).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hebrew word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kapporet &lt;/span&gt;is derived from a primitive root &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kaphar &lt;/span&gt;meaning “to cover”. While it refers literally to a cover the word also figuratively refers to the covering of sin, hence condone, forgive, be merciful, pacify, pardon, purge (away), reconcile, or make atonement. This has led to some confusion about whether the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion &lt;/span&gt;in Rom 3:25 refers to the mercy seat, or to the “sacrifice of atonement” whose blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat on the Day of Atonement. The word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kapporet &lt;/span&gt;in Hebrew &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;always &lt;/span&gt;referred to the lid or cover of the Ark, and the only other place where the word occurs in the NT (Heb 9:5) it is undeniably referring to the literal lid of the Ark of the Covenant (“place of atonement” NIV).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a similar way the Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;thysiasterion &lt;/span&gt;(from &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;thysiazo &lt;/span&gt;= to sacrifice) means an altar or place of sacrifice. The word does not refer to the sacrifices themselves. Hence &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion &lt;/span&gt;refers to the place where God met His people, not to the blood sprinkled there. The NIV translation “sacrifice of atonement” in Rom 3:25 is clearly wrong. Paul is actually saying that Christ is the true meeting place between God and His people, of which the mercy seat above the Ark was a type. It was through Christ that God’s mercy was demonstrated. Christ now occupies the place that the mercy seat occupied in the OT - the central place where reconciliation occurs that restores the relationship between God and his people so that they “meet” together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As God “sat enthroned between the Cherubim” above the mercy seat, so “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form … the head over every principality and authority” (Col 2:9-10). The risen and exalted Christ is the embodiment of God’s kingly authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;hiloskomai&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasterion &lt;/span&gt;is derived from &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hiloskomai &lt;/span&gt;which also occurs in only two places in the NT.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Luke 18:13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said ‘God, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;have mercy on me&lt;/span&gt;, a sinner”.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Heb 2:17 “For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;make atonement&lt;/span&gt; for the sins of the people.”&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;The Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hiloskomai &lt;/span&gt;occurs eleven times in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. It always has God as the subject and means to have mercy. Seven times it translates the Hebrew word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;salah &lt;/span&gt;which means &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;to forgive&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word is used in the Septuagint of Psalm 79:9 “deliver us and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;forgive &lt;/span&gt;our sins for your name’s sake”. In his story about the tax collector Jesus went on to say “I tell you that this man, rather than the other [the Pharisee], went home justified before God” (v. 14). The Pharisee’s attitude was fairly typical and is reflected in a story in the Talmud about a rabbi who was confident that if the saved numbered only “a hundred, I and my son are among them; and if only two, they are I and my son” (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;b. Sukkah&lt;/span&gt; 45b). Paul similarly declared himself “as for legalistic righteousness, faultless” (Phil 3:6). This parable demonstrated that what matters to God is a reliance on His mercy, and declares that human self-righteousness is of no benefit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A footnote in the NIV to Heb 2:17 offers an alternative translation: “and that he might turn aside God’s wrath, taking away the sins of the people”. However, there is no reference in the context to an appeasement of an angry deity and God is not said to be the recipient of an atonement. In my view the NIV footnote here is simply wrong and without any support. The KJV’s “to make reconciliation for” works better within the context. Jesus is said to be a “&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;merciful &lt;/span&gt;[Gk. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;eleemon&lt;/span&gt;, compassionate, merciful] and faithful high priest”. The next verse says: “because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted” (v. 18). The best way to interpret &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hiloskomai &lt;/span&gt;in this context would be to say that Jesus is a compassionate and faithful high priest, able to empathise with His people, to help them and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;have mercy&lt;/span&gt; on their sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasmos&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally we come to the word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasmos &lt;/span&gt;which is translated in the NIV as “atoning sacrifice” and in the KJV as “propitiation”. We have seen that the central concept of this word-group is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;mercy &lt;/span&gt;and so when we come to look at the two occurrences of this word in the NT we should expect to see something of the same emphasis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;1 John 2:2 “He is the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;atoning sacrifice&lt;/span&gt; for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;1 John 4:10 “… he loved us and sent his son as an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;atoning sacrifice&lt;/span&gt; for our sins.”&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Again we find a footnote in the NIV offering an alternative translation: “He is the one who turns aside God’s wrath, taking away our sins”. However, as we saw when we looked at the NIV’s treatment of the word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hiloskomai &lt;/span&gt;there is no justification for this interpretation either within the context or in the meaning of the word itself. The Septuagint Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible uses this word ten times to translate derivatives of the Hebrew verb &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kipper &lt;/span&gt;which means “to cover over” (the word for a skullcap or head covering, for example, is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kippah&lt;/span&gt;) and refers to sins being “covered”. Sins which are “covered” are effectively unseen to God, and therefore forgiven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in 1 John we should read the word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hilasmos &lt;/span&gt;in the sense of our sins being covered: “He is the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;covering &lt;/span&gt;for our sins …” There is a similar thought in James 5:20: “whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;cover over&lt;/span&gt; a multitude of sins” and 1 Peter 4:8: “love &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;covers over&lt;/span&gt; a multitude of sins”. Both writers are almost certainly alluding to Proverbs 10:12 “love &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;covers over&lt;/span&gt; all wrongs”. Here the Greek word for “cover(s) over” is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kalypto &lt;/span&gt;which translates the Hebrew &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kasah &lt;/span&gt;- the words are different but the concept is the same. In these texts the writers are referring to human forgiveness covering over sins in others, while in 1 John 2:20 and 4:10 the writer is referring to God sending His Son to cover our sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In all these texts we find the fundamental principle is one of God’s mercy, covering over our sins and forgiving them. There is nothing in the context or the meanings of the words themselves to suggest that Christ’s death was necessary to “appease” a God who was angry or wrathful, or to satisfy any of God’s demands. The translators have sometimes (especially in the NIV) &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;interpreted &lt;/span&gt;the words rather than literally &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;translated &lt;/span&gt;them and have consequently given us a misleading translation. By interpreting some of the words in this group as “sacrifice of atonement” and “atoning sacrifice” they have also wrongly inserted the concept of “sacrifice” into texts where it does not belong. The death of Christ has therefore been wrongly viewed in a similar way to the sacrifices (sometimes human) which were offered to pagan gods to turn away their wrath. To the contrary, Christ demonstrated the love, mercy and graciousness of God and revealed Him as a God which was quite unlike the pagan gods who demanded sacrifices to appease them. By contrast, God’s love is generous and abundant (“not only for our sins but also for the sins of the whole world”).  And by juxtaposing “sacrifice” and “atonement” the translators have also given the wrong impression that “atonement” (to be “at one” with God) or “reconciliation” comes only through a human sacrifice - a totally unBiblical concept.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-7509784793504894771?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/7509784793504894771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=7509784793504894771' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7509784793504894771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7509784793504894771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-and-kingdom-9.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (9)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8872560114161932639</id><published>2009-04-09T11:12:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-09T14:54:22.524+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (8)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST (2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a significant handful of references in the NT to Christ dying for us, although no where near as many as we should expect if the emphasis given to "the blood of Christ" by many evangelists and preachers was correct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact there are only nine places where the NT explicitly says Christ died for us, or words to that effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 5:6&lt;br /&gt;You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans 5:8&lt;br /&gt;But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans 14:15&lt;br /&gt;If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Corinthians 8:11&lt;br /&gt;So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Corinthians 15:3&lt;br /&gt;For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Peter 3:18&lt;br /&gt;For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 Corinthians 5:14-15&lt;br /&gt;For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Thessalonians 5:10&lt;br /&gt;He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hebrews 9:15&lt;br /&gt;For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In a &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-3.html"&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt; I referred to John the Baptist's "lamb of God" sayings and said I would come back to them. John said the lamb of God "takes away the sin of the world". What did he mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think there are three possibilities. He could “take away” our sins by:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;cancelling &lt;/span&gt;our sin, i.e. paying the price for it, or dying in our place instead of us (but as we've seen from Ezekiel 18 dying in someone else’s place isn’t a Biblical concept), or&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(b) by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;abolishing &lt;/span&gt;sin, i.e. remove the Law and it’s no longer possible to break it, or&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(c) &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;removing the cause&lt;/span&gt; of sin, i.e. taking away whatever it is that makes us sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think (b) and (c) have the strongest Biblical case going for them. The whole point of “grace” is to enable us to overcome. This is where people often get “mercy” and “grace” confused and think that grace is the same as God being merciful and forgiving us, but the distinction is quite clear in Heb 4:16 “Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;grace to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;help&lt;/span&gt; us&lt;/span&gt; in our time of need”. Our sins are forgiven because of God’s mercy, and we are &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;enabled to overcome&lt;/span&gt; further sin by God’s &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;grace&lt;/span&gt;. This is also what Jude 24 says “[He] is able to &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;keep you from falling&lt;/span&gt; and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So to “take away sin” is another way of saying that He will abolish or remove sin by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;enabling&lt;/span&gt; us (by grace) to &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;overcome&lt;/span&gt; it. Paul says in Acts 20:24-28 that for him “the gospel of God's grace” was essentially what he taught when he went about “preaching the kingdom”. That would explain why we find him using the word “grace” about 60 times in his letters while hardly using the word “kingdom”. And for Paul the exaltation of Christ was absolutely necessary for the enabling of grace. For example, in Eph 4:7-8 he says “But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul also emphasises Jesus’ exaltation in the “humbling” text in Phil 2 (almost certainly a quotation from an ancient hymn). The climax seems to be in verses 9-11: “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place …” The “therefore” connects it with the preceding verse “he humbled himself and became obedient to death - even death on a cross!” The cross was the means to and reason for His exaltation. Incidentally, this means that  Jesus’ “humbling” was demonstrated in His death, not His birth (as trinitarians suggest). This text is about exaltation, not incarnation. And He was exalted to a position He had never held before. It was an “exaltation”, not a “return” to a position He had previously held.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul follows this quotation of an ancient hymn in Phil 2 with another "therefore" which leads into his practical application. "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed ... continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God who works in you&lt;/span&gt; to will and to act according to his good purpose." (v. 12-13). Jesus' humbling was the means to and reason for His exaltation. His exaltation enabled Him to give the gifts of grace to His followers (Eph 4:7-8) and it is this grace which enables God to work in us for our salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The basis of Paul's theology is that Christ died "for us" so that through His death and exaltation we would be given the means to be victorious over sin. That is why the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;triumphant&lt;/span&gt; Christ is a much stronger theme in Acts and in Paul's writings than the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sacrificial&lt;/span&gt; Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my next message I will take a look at the texts that say Christ's death was "an atoning sacrifice".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8872560114161932639?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8872560114161932639/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8872560114161932639' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8872560114161932639'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8872560114161932639'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/04/cross-and-kingdom-8.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (8)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1830587290301111829</id><published>2009-03-01T10:49:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2009-03-01T10:52:40.067+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (7)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Why did Jesus have to die? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Was there no other way for God to save mankind?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The death of Christ is often explained either as a debt being paid - that is, His death paid the price of our sin - or as one innocent person dying in the place of other guilty people who have been condemned to die (that is, as a substitute). These are two different metaphors, but they often get confused and used together in explaining the 'atonement', or how Christ's death brings about our salvation. It's one thing to speak about a 'debt' being forgiven, but to then mix this up with a capital punishment for a criminal offense would be to confuse the metaphors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we stick to the language of debts being paid then Jesus must have paid the debt to someone - if indeed He paid a debt. This is quite different from someone dying as a substitute in place of another for a crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul used a variety of metaphors from the marketplace, the slave trade, the law courts and the Temple, because no one analogy is adequate or complete in itself. No one metaphor was adequate for him, and no metaphor should be pushed too far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Jesus himself never spoke of His death as an 'atonement'. The Gospels record only one brief saying which possibly alludes to His death in atonement-theology terms - the 'ransom saying' of Mark 10:45 (parallel Matt 20:28), which may, or may not, be a reference to His death (to give ones life in service does not necessarily mean to die). Jesus' references during the last supper to His blood being shed to seal the new covenant are the language of covenants, not atonement. So it's actually doubtful whether Jesus ever referred to His own death as an atonement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On the other hand, Jesus spoke frequently of God's forgiveness, His abundant generosity, and His graciousness.&lt;/span&gt; There is nothing in any of His parables, stories or sayings which suggests that a price of any kind had to be paid to secure God's forgiveness. The stories which refer to debts being forgiven all emphasise the undeserved kindness shown by the one forgiving the debt. If any debt was owed by Adam or his descendants because of his sin or theirs, then the debt was owed to God. If Jesus death was to pay a debt then the debt must have been paid to God, and that would put God in the position of demanding the death of His own Son in order to satisfy a debt to Himself. The other alternative would be Anselm's satisfaction theory which had the debt being paid to the devil, which I personally think is absurd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Jesus suffered the penalty for the crimes committed by others, then He suffered the punishment for sins which was due. There is no need for forgiveness then, because the sentence has been carried out. We are free, not because we have been forgiven, but because someone else took our place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I see it, the only way we can understand forgiveness is to see it as a gracious act of God in NOT demanding payment or punishment for our sins. If we use the metaphor of a debt, then the debt is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;paid &lt;/span&gt;and is not forgiven. If we use the language of capital punishment then the sentence has been carried out and the guilty party has a substitute who dies in their place, but the crime is not forgiven. Neither of these analogies explains what actually happened: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God chose to forgive our sins even though there was absolutely nothing we could do to merit or deserve His forgiveness, and even though it would be impossible for us to find a substitute who could suffer the punishment which our sins deserved.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I see it, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Jesus' death was a demonstration of how far God's love would go in order to save us&lt;/span&gt;, not what God demands in order to be satisfied. Several Scriptures point us in this direction:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans 5:8&lt;br /&gt;But God demonstrates his own &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;love &lt;/span&gt;for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Galatians 2:20&lt;br /&gt;The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;loved &lt;/span&gt;me and gave himself for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ephesians 5:2&lt;br /&gt;Christ &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;loved &lt;/span&gt;us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 3:16&lt;br /&gt;This is how we know what &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;love &lt;/span&gt;is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 4:9&lt;br /&gt;This is how God showed his &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;love &lt;/span&gt;among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 4:10&lt;br /&gt;This is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;love&lt;/span&gt;: not that we loved God, but that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;he loved us&lt;/span&gt; and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 13:1&lt;br /&gt;Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the full extent of his love&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The death of Christ is primarily &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;a demonstration of the love of God&lt;/span&gt;. It was not an act to appease an offended deity. It was not a mechanistic or legalistic sacrifice to satisfy the requirements of any religious law. It was not a demonstration of what "the flesh" deserved. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It was an act of love&lt;/span&gt;. As the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;shaliach&lt;/span&gt;, the agent or emissary of God, Jesus was demonstrating in His own life and death the love of God, effectively doing what God could not do himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;William Barclay puts it very beautifully in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Plain Man Looks at the Apostles' Creed:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But why the death of Christ? If Jesus had stopped before the cross, it would have meant that there was some point beyond which the love of God would not go, some limit to his love. But in Jesus [i.e. through His agent - my comment] God says: 'You may disobey me; you may grieve me; you may be disloyal to me; you may misunderstand me; you may batter me and bruise me and scourge me; you may treat me with savage injustice; you may kill me on a cross; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;I will never stop loving you&lt;/span&gt;.' This means that the life and death of Jesus are the demonstration and the proof of the limitless, the undefeatable, unchangeable, unalterable, infinite love of God." (My emphasis).&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is the most beautiful summary I have ever read of the motivation beyond the cross.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1830587290301111829?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1830587290301111829/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1830587290301111829' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1830587290301111829'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1830587290301111829'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/03/cross-and-kingdom-7.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (7)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2478725393262372314</id><published>2009-02-22T23:03:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2009-03-01T10:59:47.474+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (6)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It’s actually surprising how &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;little &lt;/span&gt;the NT says about the death of Christ in a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sacrificial &lt;/span&gt;sense. In fact, almost all the references to the sacrifice of Christ are in Hebrews, in a very specific context related to the tabernacle and the Day of Atonement. Paul rarely uses sacrificial language, and when he does it could just as well be in reference to sacrifices in his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;own &lt;/span&gt;life (as in “I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith” Phil 2:17; cf 2 Tim 4:6 ) or to sacrifices made by fellow-believers (“I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God.” Phil 4:18)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, apart from Hebrews (which I will come to) there are only a handful of places where the NT refers to Christ's death as a sacrifice:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 3:25&lt;br /&gt;God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ephesians 5:2&lt;br /&gt;Live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 2:2&lt;br /&gt;He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 4:10&lt;br /&gt;This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Ephesians 5:2 text is remarkable in that Paul uses precisely the same language to describe charitable gifts made by Christians (Phil 4:8). He obviously is not thinking of it in terms of an atonement which could take away sin. So that leaves only Romans 3:25 and 1 John 2:2; 4:10 where Christ's death is referred to as "an atoning sacrifice" (and I will come back to look at them in detail later).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to these texts there are a few more which speak of the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;blood of Christ&lt;/span&gt; (ignoring the Hebrews texts for now):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ephesians 1:7&lt;br /&gt;In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Peter 1:2&lt;br /&gt;To God's elect ... who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Peter 1:18-19&lt;br /&gt;For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;We can see from this that the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;emphasis &lt;/span&gt;of the NT is NOT on the death of Christ as any form of vicarious sacrifice, i.e. Jesus did not die in our place, or as a substitute, or in any way to suffer a penalty for our sins. He did, however, die FOR us, but what does that mean? If I say I will do something &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;for &lt;/span&gt;you I may mean I will do it &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;instead &lt;/span&gt;of you (e.g. you don’t have to do that – I’ll do it &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;for &lt;/span&gt;you), but equally I could mean I will do it to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;benefit &lt;/span&gt;you (e.g. let me do that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;for &lt;/span&gt;you).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The language of sacrifice  in Hebrews is interesting. The context is clearly the Day of Atonement so any reference to a sacrifice has to be in that context. Heb 9:22 says “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” There are two statements there which, if meant in a general way, would simply be untrue. First, not “everything” was cleansed by blood. Some things were cleansed by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;water&lt;/span&gt; (hence baptism, hand-washing, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;mikvahs&lt;/span&gt;, etc). Second, forgiveness was possible &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;without &lt;/span&gt;the shedding of blood. However, in the context it’s clear that the writer meant that “everything” &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;in the tabernacle&lt;/span&gt; was cleansed by blood (the furniture etc), and that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;on the Day of Atonement&lt;/span&gt; there was no forgiveness without shedding of blood (although there was at other times). So the context makes these statements quite specific – otherwise they would simply be untrue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the Day of Atonement the High Priest went into the Most Holy Place, and I believe that’s what is behind the argument in Hebrews . &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It was about one man going into the Holiest place for the benefit of all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The NT writers (especially Hebrews) are telling us that Jesus’ death was the means by which He could be exalted and enter “the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation” (9:11). His death was “necessary” in order to pass from “this creation” and enter heaven: “For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence” (9:22).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His death wasn’t “necessary” in order for God to forgive us, because God can (and does) forgive without sacrifice or shedding of blood. It wasn’t “necessary” to take away our sin. It wasn’t “necessary” as a penalty or as a vicarious sacrifice. It was actually not possible under the Law to die for the sins of another person - to pay the penalty for their sins. This is spelled out clearly and thoroughly in Ezekiel 18 where God says “The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” On this basis the doctrine that we are somehow punished for the sin of Adam is clearly wrong. "The son will not share the guilt of the father". &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We do not share Adam's guilt! &lt;/span&gt; "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die" (v. 21). Here the basis of forgiveness and freedom from guilt is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;repentance &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not sacrifice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus therefore could not have died "in our place" or to pay the penalty for our sins. He could not have died to remove the guilt of Adam's sin. Only Adam could die for Adam's sin. "The soul who sins is the one who will die."&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Jesus death was “necessary” in order to be exalted, to sit at God’s right hand and to enter heaven as our High Priest. Christ died for us, i.e. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;to benefit us&lt;/span&gt;, but didn’t die in our place. As a result of His exaltation we now have the outpouring of the Spirit. Ephesians 4:7-8 makes this clear: “But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men".  John 7:39 says something similar: “By this he meant the Spirit, which those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.” In other words, without Jesus' ascension and exaltation there could be no outpouring of the Spirit. Without His exaltation we would have no intercessor at God’s right hand, to whom all authority in heaven and earth has been given. There are many “benefits” coming to us as a result of His exaltation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me there was nothing “mechanical” or “legalistic” about the death of Christ. It wasn’t “required” or “demanded” or made “necessary” by any law of God’s own making.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a subsequent message (number 8 in this series)I will take a look at the handful of references in the NT to Christ taking away sins, and come back to the texts about Christ being "an atoning sacrifice".&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2478725393262372314?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2478725393262372314/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2478725393262372314' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2478725393262372314'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2478725393262372314'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-6.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (6)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1525060473163708235</id><published>2009-02-21T16:03:00.006+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-21T17:46:23.837+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (5)</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SZ-VfHblTLI/AAAAAAAAAGM/2dXPghmwwKc/s1600-h/Crucifixion.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer; width: 215px; height: 320px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SZ-VfHblTLI/AAAAAAAAAGM/2dXPghmwwKc/s320/Crucifixion.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5305123247868955826" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE CRUCIFIXION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was crucified on a charge of sedition (Luke 23:2; Matt 27:11, 29, 37; John 19:12, 14). It was a political execution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He was crucified alongside others sentenced for political crimes (“malefactors” or “robbers” interprets a word which refers to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;insurgents&lt;/span&gt;, not thieves). Earlier Jesus quoted Isaiah 53:12 “It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment" (Lk 22:37).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the way to His crucifixion Jesus made a rather strange statement which is best understood as a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;riddle&lt;/span&gt;. (A riddle is a saying whose meaning is not obviously known. It requires pondering and the answer may become apparent only after it is explained or some related event reveals its meaning in the meantime. A famous Biblical example is Samson's riddle in Judges 14:12ff).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!' Then they will say to the mountains, "Fall on us!" and to the hills, "Cover us!" &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?&lt;/span&gt;" (Lk 23:27-31).&lt;/blockquote&gt;This riddle about the green and dry tree is pointing us towards the events that would fall on Jerusalem within a generation. Josephus records how that so many people were crucified outside the walls of Jerusalem during the siege of AD 70 that the Romans had to cut down every tree to make crosses and the surrounding countryside was stripped bare of timber. Jesus told this riddle in the context of His prediction that a terrible time was coming. In this riddle He is effectively saying &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"If they treat an innocent man like this without provocation, imagine what they will do when they are provoked or given a reason"&lt;/span&gt;. In this riddle Jesus was saying that He was a kind of forerunner of what was to come. As the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;green &lt;/span&gt;tree He was the first (or out-of-its-time) tree to be cut down. When the tree is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;dry &lt;/span&gt;or dead ("the time will come") it will be treated even more severely. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;So Jesus is saying that His death by crucifixion was just the first of many, and he was therefore identifying Himself with the fate of His people&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The crucifixion of Jesus was a political execution which foreshadowed the terrible things which would be inflicted on the people of God in the near future. His death was representative of God's people Israel, and He identified Himself with them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is clearly the meaning and emphasis which is attached to the crucifixion by the writers of the Gospels and Acts. Jesus Himself predicted that He would be "delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified" (Luke 24:7). Peter said it was "wicked men" who   put him to death by nailing him to the cross (Acts 2:23). Paul said it was "the rulers of this age" who crucified the Lord of glory (1 Cor 2:8). The consistent message is that the first Christians believed that the crucifixion of Jesus was a political murder. It was the unjust act of wicked sinful men. There was nothing in this message about God requiring or demanding a human sacrifice as necessary for the salvation of mankind, although that meaning may have been attached to the crucifixion later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The canonical Gospels record seven sayings of Jesus while He was dying on the cross*. If Jesus' death was primarily an atonement for the sins of God's people this might have been the ideal time to say so. Instead the only thing in these seven sayings about the Gospel is Jesus' conversation with one of the criminals crucified with Him. The criminal asked a favour: "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom" , to which Jesus replied "I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:42-43).  This political insurgent was being crucified probably because some act of insurgency had been thwarted or a plot had been uncovered or he was condemned because of his political associations. Whatever his involvement had been in overthrowing the Romans he had clearly failed. Beside him is a man who has also appeared to fail. Crucified on the charge of being "king of the Jews" - effectively a charge of treason - it would appear that Jesus too had failed. There could be no Kingdom with the King dead. Yet from this remark recorded by Luke we realise that this condemned political activist understood more about Jesus' message than did many of His disciples. He realised that Jesus was yet to come into His Kingdom, and that Jesus would have to be rescued from the cross or resurrected in order to do so. He knew that all was not over for Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Jesus reply the emphasis should be on the word "today". The insurgent had asked "remember me &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;when &lt;/span&gt;..." and Jesus replied "I say to you &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;today&lt;/span&gt; ..." He was telling this dying man that his future in the coming kingdom was assured and that he could die with this assurance. What a blessing it must have been to have died with no uncertainty about his future!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This conversation on the cross reminds us that to the very last Jesus' message was about the Kingdom. Isaiah 53 is frequently quoted by Christians to show how the death of Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind was predicted by the prophet. Strangely though, when Jesus quotes from Isaiah 53:12 Himself (in Lk 22:37) it is to say that He will be "numbered with the transgressors". (Some manuscripts also insert at Mark 15:27 "They crucified two robbers with him, one on his right and one on his left, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;28 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "He was counted with the lawless ones"&lt;/span&gt;).  Even when Peter quotes Isaiah 53 later it was to encourage his readers to follow in Jesus' steps: "Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 'He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth' [from Isa 53:9]. When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats"  (1 Peter 2:21-23). Although Isaiah 53 seems to be the ideal prophecy to quote with respect to the crucifixion the NT writers, and Jesus Himself, quote it only with reference to His keeping company (or being crucified) with transgressors, and to His non-retaliation. It seems that the first Christians did not think of Isaiah 53 in the way later Christians do, as a prophecy of Jesus suffering as an atonement for the sins of the world, or at least if they did then they didn't quote it in the NT with this meaning. The Gospel accounts of the crucifixion would have been the ideal place to quote Isaiah 53, yet the Gospel writers don't take this opportunity and are silent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The emphasis of the Gospels is that Jesus was falsely accused and executed as a political activist on a charge of treason because of His preaching a message about the Kingdom. To the very end He was identified with a coming Kingdom, and His final conversation reflected this. His immediate followers spoke of his unjust murder at the hands of wicked men. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It seems that the emphasis for the first Christians was on Jesus' resurrection and exaltation as the most significant events in our salvation, rather than his death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;* The traditional order of the sayings is: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-size:85%;" &gt;Eli Eli lama sabachthani&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;? ("My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46 // Mark 15:34)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;I thirst (John 19:28)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;It is finished (John 19:30)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Picture is &lt;i&gt;Crucifixion of Christ&lt;/i&gt;, by Diego Velázquez 1632 (in the public domain).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1525060473163708235?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1525060473163708235/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1525060473163708235' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1525060473163708235'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1525060473163708235'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-5.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (5)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SZ-VfHblTLI/AAAAAAAAAGM/2dXPghmwwKc/s72-c/Crucifixion.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1230783882573733374</id><published>2009-02-20T08:00:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-20T08:11:04.590+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (4)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE DEATH OF JESUS IN THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We might reasonably expect that the first recorded preaching done by the immediate disciples of Jesus would contain the 'core' of the Gospel message. The Acts of the Apostles would therefore be a good source for determining what the first Christians believed and taught.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's surprising then to discover that Acts says almost nothing about the death of Christ. There are, in fact, only two references in Acts to Jesus' death:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acts 2:36&lt;br /&gt;"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acts 4:10&lt;br /&gt;"Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The apostles' preaching in Acts puts  a greater emphasis on the &lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;exaltation&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of  Jesus than it does on the “sacrificial death” of Jesus. Matthew’s Gospel ends  with Jesus saying that “all &lt;span style=""&gt;authority&lt;/span&gt; in heaven and on earth has  been given to me” (28:18) and we discover in Acts that the apostolic &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kerygma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;*  focused more on this exaltation of Jesus than it did on His death. In fact, there  doesn’t seem to be any hint at all of an atonement or sacrificial death in Acts, with the possible exception of Acts 20:28 which I discuss below.  The primary message is exaltation. For example in Acts 2:36  Peter says: “Therefore let all &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;Israel&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; be assured of this: God has  made this &lt;span style=""&gt;Jesus&lt;/span&gt;, whom you &lt;span style=""&gt;crucified&lt;/span&gt;, both &lt;span style=""&gt;Lord&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style=""&gt;Christ&lt;/span&gt;." The crucifixion is mentioned  almost only in passing – the message here is exaltation, not atonement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only mention of "the blood of Christ" with any theological significance is in Acts 20:28 where some translations suggest it is the blood &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;of God&lt;/span&gt; with which the church was bought. For example, the NIV has "Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God&lt;/span&gt;, which &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;he &lt;/span&gt;bought with &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;his own&lt;/span&gt; blood".  Although some manuscripts have "church of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Lord&lt;/span&gt;" and some later ones have conflated this into "of God and the Lord" the evidence tends towards "of God" as the most reliable reading. However, the Nestle-Aland Greek text proposes the reading "the blood of his own" (rather than "his own blood") and a note in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;NIV Study Bible&lt;/span&gt; adopts this reading saying this is "a term of endearment ... referring to His own Son".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="notetype"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="notetype"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;This is therefore one of the only explicit statements in the earliest apostolic teachings which refers to the atoning nature of Christ’s death and it is made almost in passing without any explanation or emphasis. The church was "bought" or "obtained" or "acquired" by the blood of the Son but we get no explanation of what that means.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, what we do get in Acts is a consistent and repeated emphasis on the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;exaltation &lt;/span&gt;of Jesus (e.g. 2:33, 36; 5:31), and this carries over into the NT letters (which I will come to later).  In Acts much is made of Jesus' &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;authority&lt;/span&gt;. Baptism, preaching and healing are done "in the name of Jesus" (the expression occurs twelve times in Acts, and only twice thereafter), perhaps building on the claim in 2:21 that "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". In Acts there is "power" in the "name of Jesus". Jesus' Lordship is emphasised: for example, "God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ" (2:36) and "Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all" (10:36). The expression "the Lord Jesus" occurs more often in Acts than in any other book.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acts 4:33 provides a cameo of the apostolic &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kerygma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;: "With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all." This stands in stark contrast with those evangelists and preachers who insist that the core of the Gospel is the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;death &lt;/span&gt;of Christ as a sacrificial, atoning or substitutionary act on behalf of those He came to save. However, instead of saying "Jesus died for you" (as we might expect) the apostles clearly and consistently taught "Jesus was resurrected" and "for you" may be implicit but is not explicitly stated until we get to the later NT writings. The words "resurrection" and "raised from the dead" occur more often in Acts than in any other NT book, with the exception of the treatise on resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So while we might expect the apostles to have taught that Christ died for us, that His death was necessary to enable us to be forgiven, or that our salvation is assured because of His supreme act of sacrifice, we actually find none of this in Acts. What we do find is that they taught that Jesus was raised from the dead and exalted to the highest position, at the right hand of God, and that as a result of His exaltation power has been given to those He has called. Jesus is acknowledged as the "Lord of all" and there is power in His name. If we were to look for one word to describe the effects of Jesus' death and resurrection it would be "power" or "authority" rather than "atonement", "forgiveness" or "salvation".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;kerygma&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt; is the Greek word used in the NT for "preaching" and is the technical theological term generally used to describe what Jesus or the apostles &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;publically preached&lt;/span&gt; rather than what they may have &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;believed  &lt;/span&gt;or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;taught privately.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1230783882573733374?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1230783882573733374/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1230783882573733374' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1230783882573733374'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1230783882573733374'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-4.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (4)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-389638852738132721</id><published>2009-02-15T13:00:00.005+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-15T13:15:48.146+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THE DEATH OF JESUS IN JOHN'S GOSPEL&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John's Gospel appears to have more to say about the theological significance of Jesus' death than the Synoptic Gospels. Apart from the record of the actual crucifixion the following list is of all the possible references in John to Jesus' death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;a.     The Lamb of God sayings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 1:29&lt;br /&gt;John [the Baptist] saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 1:36&lt;br /&gt;When he [John] saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lambs were sacrificed daily as burnt offerings “to make atonement” (Lev 1:4). Lambs were also slain at Passover although the Passover lamb is never said to make atonement. John almost certainly was therefore &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;thinking of Jesus as a "Passover lamb".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John is more likely to have Isa 53:7 in mind (“he was led like a lamb to the slaughter”) as the lamb here is used metaphorically of the suffering servant who “will bear [the] iniquities” of many (v. 11).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another possibility is that this is an allusion to the ram which was sacrificed in place of Isaac (Gen 22:8).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John says this lamb “takes away the sin of the world”. 1 John 3:5 uses a similar expression: “he appeared so that he might take away our sins”. To “take away sin” can mean either:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(a) to remove it by making atonement for it, or&lt;br /&gt;(b) bearing the penalty attached to the sin, or&lt;br /&gt;(c) to abolish sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will come back to these possibilities later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;b.     The “lay down his life” sayings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John recorded a number of sayings where Jesus is said to "lay down his life" for others. I think the following list covers them all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 10:11, 15, 17-18 “the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 15:13 “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (but cp. v. 12 “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you” which shows that this saying is intended for the disciples and not necessarily referring to Jesus’ death as an atonement.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The use of the same expression in 1 John 3:16 provides an insight into its meaning. “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;we ought to lay down our lives&lt;/span&gt; for our brothers.” The next verse offers an example of how we “lay down our lives for our brothers”. “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?” If John is here suggesting that by meeting our brothers’ material needs we are “laying down our lives” for them, then &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;there is no implication of sacrificial death&lt;/span&gt; in these words. (See also John 13:37, 38 where Peter offers to lay down his life.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;tithemi &lt;/span&gt;occurs 96 times in the NT. It is translated: lay (up, aside, or down, or as ‘lay a foundation’), appoint, put, set, ordain, commit, advise, purpose, settle. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It doesn’t necessarily mean “to die” and its use elsewhere seems to be against this.&lt;/span&gt; It seems almost certain from the way this word is used elsewhere that Jesus is saying that He "laid  aside" His life in the sense that His life was fully devoted to the needs of others and He laid aside all self-interest. He was referring to His &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;life of service&lt;/span&gt;, not to His death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;c.          The “lifted up” (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hypsoo&lt;/span&gt;) sayings&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John recorded several sayings where Jesus referred to being "lifted up" and this is often understood to be a reference to His being "lifted up" on the cross.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, either crucifixion or &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;exaltation &lt;/span&gt;(or both) may be implied by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hypsoo&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 3:14 Just as Moses &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lifted up&lt;/span&gt; the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you have &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lifted up&lt;/span&gt; the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 12:32 - 34 But I, when I am &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lifted up&lt;/span&gt; from [&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ek =  &lt;/span&gt;out of] the earth, will draw all men to myself." He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die. The crowd spoke up, "We have heard from the Law that the Christ will remain forever, so how can you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this 'Son of Man'?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As this last text suggests that Jesus being "lifted up" related to his death we need to take a closer look at it. First we should note that Jesus used the Greek word &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ek, &lt;/span&gt;meaning &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;out of  &lt;/span&gt;when he said He would be  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lifted up&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;out of &lt;/span&gt;the earth. It seems most likely that Jesus is here referring to His exaltation and His ascension "out of" the earth and into heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, it seems certain from John's editorial comment that "He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die" that Jesus had &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;crucifixion &lt;/span&gt;in mind rather than exaltation. We should note however that the Greek word translated "he said this" in verse 33 is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;lego &lt;/span&gt;and refers to a systematic discourse. In other words John is actually saying ‘Jesus said &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;all this&lt;/span&gt; …’ referring to the preceding discourse, not just the few preceding words.  The preceding discourse was about Jesus being "glorified", during which He said "the hour has come for the Son of Man to be &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;glorified&lt;/span&gt;. I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." In other words, Jesus is saying that His death would be necessary in order for His exaltation or glorification and to produce "many seeds". It follows therefore that when He referred to all men being "drawn" to Himself that He was referring back to the "many seeds" that would be produced as a result of His glorification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's possible that this text is referring to Jesus being "lifted up" in crucifixion, but it's equally possible (and in my opinion actually more likely) that He was referring to His exaltation and glorification &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;after &lt;/span&gt;His death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-389638852738132721?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/389638852738132721/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=389638852738132721' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/389638852738132721'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/389638852738132721'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-3.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (3)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6843720418483419070</id><published>2009-02-09T07:36:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-09T07:47:52.784+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;strong&gt;THE DEATH OF JESUS IN THE SYNOPTICS&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a. Jesus’ predictions of His death&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are three  major explicit predictions by Jesus of His death and resurrection:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Following Peter’s confession (Matt 16: 13-23 // Mk 8:31 // Lk 9:18-22) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;2. Following the transfiguration (Matt 17:22-23 // Mk 9:31 // Lk 9:44) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;3. Following the conversation with the rich young man (Matt 20:17-19 // Mk 10:32-34 // Lk 18:31-33. Only Matthew’s account specifically mentioned crucifixion as the means of death).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition to these incidents Jesus explicitly predicted His crucifixion just prior to His anointing at Bethany (Matt 26:1-5). While the anointing is recorded by Matthew, Mark and John only Matthew records the crucifixion saying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of these predictions of His death give a &lt;em&gt;reason&lt;/em&gt; for it in terms of atonement or salvation.&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;Jesus simply declared that he will be betrayed and killed, without stating a reason for it or attaching any theological significance to it. He did not attempt to explain why he "had to die".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;b. The parable of the tenants&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All three synoptics record this parable about a landowner and his tenants (Matt 21:33-46 // Mark 12:1-12 // Luke 20:9-19 ) .  The landowner sends various servants to collect his share of the harvest, and each in turn are beaten or killed. Finally he sends his son, expecting the tenants to respect his son. All three accounts say: “they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance’” and “When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard this parable, they knew he was talking about them”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One significant aspect of this story is that the son represents the landowner as his agent. According to the well-known Jewish principle of &lt;strong&gt;agency&lt;/strong&gt; (&lt;em&gt;shaliach&lt;/em&gt;) by rejecting the son they were in effect rejecting the father. This is spelled out in Luke 10:16 “He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me." Jesus is the &lt;em&gt;shaliach&lt;/em&gt;, the agent or emissary of God, but not God Himself, although He acts with the full authority of God.  Jesus was no doubt suggesting by this parable that His impending death would be a direct assault on God's agent and, by implication, an attack on God Himself. However, besides this implication that Jesus was God's agent and that the religious leaders of His day were in direct opposition to God, Jesus attaches no other significance to the death of the son. There is no hint here that it was necessary as an atonement or "for the sins" of anyone. The son in the parable was the victim of a murder. There is no other implied connection to "sin".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;c. The ransom saying&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a &lt;strong&gt;ransom&lt;/strong&gt; (Gk. &lt;em&gt;lytron&lt;/em&gt;) for many”. (Matt 20:28 // Mark 10:45 )&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The only other occurrence of “ransom” in the New Testament is 1 Tim 2:6 (&lt;em&gt;antilytron&lt;/em&gt;) and there is insufficient information in either text to determine exactly what was meant by "ransom". The word can denote the price paid to free slaves while the related verb &lt;em&gt;lytroo&lt;/em&gt; can mean &lt;strong&gt;deliverance&lt;/strong&gt; in a general way without implying anything about payment. While the “ransom saying” may be saying that deliverance of many was accomplished at great cost, this saying does not specify to whom the ransom is paid. In fact, in the absence of anything to say the ransom was paid to someone we should conclude that the saying simply means that deliverance comes at a great cost, without drawing the conclusion that &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; was &lt;em&gt;paid&lt;/em&gt; to &lt;em&gt;someone&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This saying may, or may not, be a reference to His death - to give ones life in service does not necessarily mean to die. We often speak of someone giving their life to a cause or mision, without necessarily implying they have died - we mean that their life has been &lt;em&gt;devoted&lt;/em&gt; to the cause. So in the 'ransom saying' Jesus could easily be saying that His life was &lt;strong&gt;devoted&lt;/strong&gt; to being a &lt;strong&gt;liberator&lt;/strong&gt; or redeemer. In fact, by saying that He came "to serve" almost rules out death. One cannot serve if they are dead. You can, however, &lt;em&gt;devote&lt;/em&gt; your life to service and the context almost demands that this is the intended meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;d. Other sayings&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are several sayings and metaphors which imply suffering and rejection and resurrection, including:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Temple saying&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up”&lt;br /&gt;John 2:19-22 cp. Mt 26:61 // Mk 14:58; Matt 27:39 // Mk 15:29&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Jonah saying&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Matt 12:38-40; 16:1-2; Lk 11:29-32&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The baptism metaphor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Can you ... be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?"  Mk 10:38-39 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;"I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed!"Lk 12:50&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The cup metaphor&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;"Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?" &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Matt 20:22-23 // Mk 10:38-39; Matt 26:39 // Mk 14:36 // Lk 22:42; John 18:11.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These sayings are primarily &lt;em&gt;eschatological&lt;/em&gt; while none of them necessarily suggest &lt;em&gt;atonement&lt;/em&gt;. They are predictions of suffering, death and resurrection but no further meaning is attached to them. None of these sayings suggest &lt;em&gt;why &lt;/em&gt;Jeus would suffer and die, nor do they imply His death was "necessary" in order for sins to be forgiven. There is one more incident in the Synoptics which is generally understood to be a reference to Jesus' death: the last supper and the prayers over the bread and wine. I have commented on this fairly extensively in another series of articles, but I will come back to it later and examine it in this context.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;In my next message I will look at how John's Gospel deals with a different set of sayings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6843720418483419070?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6843720418483419070/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6843720418483419070' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6843720418483419070'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6843720418483419070'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-2.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6531993682601611044</id><published>2009-02-08T11:48:00.010+11:00</published><updated>2009-02-08T14:00:39.820+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Cross and the Kingdom'/><title type='text'>The Cross and the Kingdom (1)</title><content type='html'>The synoptic Gospels consistently tell us that Jesus’ mission was to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom (e.g. Matt 4:23; 9:35; Mk 1:15; Lk 4:43; 8:1). The Kingdom of God is mentioned over 100 times in all four canonical Gospels. While the death of Jesus is recorded in detail in all the Gospels, very little is said about it in terms of an &lt;em&gt;atonement&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;sacrifice&lt;/em&gt;. In fact, even while dying on the cross rather than speaking about the significance of his death as an atonement Jesus instead discussed the coming Kingdom with one of the men crucified with Him (Lk 23:42-43) and gave him an assurance of the grace of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Theologians and evangelists who preach the death, burial and resurrection as the whole Gospel struggle to find the Gospel in the gospels and in the teachings of Jesus. No wonder then that the popular New International Version translates &lt;em&gt;evangelion&lt;/em&gt; as “Gospel” throughout the New Testament &lt;strong&gt;except&lt;/strong&gt; when referring to the teachings of Jesus – there it is translated “good news”. In other words, the subtle implication is that Jesus simply spoke of “good news” while Paul taught the real Gospel! Hence C.S. Lewis declared that the Gospel is not in the gospels! [1]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A tract entitled “What is the Gospel?” (published by The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, 1980) declares that Jesus “came to do three days work, to die, be buried and raised” and that “He came not primarily to preach the Gospel . . . but He came rather that there might be a Gospel to preach.” Yet Jesus declared that He was commissioned for the very purpose of proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom (“I came to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom ... that is the reason why I was sent” Luke 4:43).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We cannot separate the crucifixion of Jesus from the teachings of Jesus. The Gospel is not declared in the &lt;em&gt;event&lt;/em&gt; while absent from the &lt;em&gt;sayings&lt;/em&gt;. On the contrary, for Jesus the crucifixion was a decisive event in the end of the present evil age. He encountered head-on the religious and political leaders of His day, refusing to use their weapons, and He ultimately had the victory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is the connection between the cross and the kingdom? Jesus Himself said that He was sent for the purpose of preaching the kingdom, not to die. So why did Jesus have to die?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this series of articles I hope to explore what the New Testament says about the death of Christ and how we might benefit from it. I will explore Biblical terms such as "the blood of Christ", "Christ died for us", "sacrifice" and "atonement". In particular I want to look at what Jesus said about His own death and the significance attached to it by the Apostles and the first Christians. I especially want to look at how Jesus saw His own death in relation to His preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In writing these articles I am conscious of the fact that thousands of others before me have attempted to explain the reasons for the death of Christ. I'm also acutely aware of the fact that the Bible itself does not give us a detailed explanation. I agree with the comments of these two scholars:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;“In spite of the rich variety of imagery employed in the NT for coming to terms with Jesus’ death, the history of reflection on the cross is littered with attempts to discern its significance in narrow terms. In reality, just as the crucifixion of Jesus is the most historically certain of the events of Jesus’ life, it is also the most widely interpreted.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Joel Green&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Death of Jesus in &lt;em&gt;Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels&lt;/em&gt;, Intervarsity Press 1992, p. 153&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;“To believe that God raised Jesus from the dead is also to believe that Jesus died for the sins of all. The theory of orthodox Christianity notwithstanding, the New Testament presents no authoritative theory of the atonement, in terms of why Jesus' death may have been necessary for the forgiveness of sins. What is clear is that, in view of Jesus' death, the Christian conscience does not condemn Christians for their shortcomings, as if they were guilty of transgression, but, instead, admonishes and encourages them to act consistently with what they are: the people of God (see Rom.8:1-17,31-34; Heb.10:1-25). This, again, is the maturity of life in God's kingdom: not fear, which has to do with punishment, but love, which comes from faith and hope (see I Jn. 4:18).” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Robert Hach&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Restoring the New Testament Pattern&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My spiritual roots are in a community which has attempted to define in rather dogmatic terms why Christ died and has consequently and repeatedly divided over the issue. In tackling this subject I am not proposing to defend any particular interpretation, or even to attempt a new one. Rather, I hope to take a fresh look at the subject by returning to the Biblical texts and endeavouring to capture the simplicity of the apostles' teaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;[1] Introduction to J. B. Phillips’ Letters to Young Churches, Fontana Books, pp. 9, 10&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6531993682601611044?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6531993682601611044/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6531993682601611044' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6531993682601611044'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6531993682601611044'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2009/02/cross-and-kingdom-1.html' title='The Cross and the Kingdom (1)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6600553455485141989</id><published>2008-12-13T20:03:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-12-13T20:08:34.272+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church'/><title type='text'>The Body of Christ</title><content type='html'>When Paul wrote "you are the body of Christ" (1 Cor 12:27) or "in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others" (Rom 12:5) what did he mean? What exactly is the "Body of Christ"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We take a lot for granted. For example, in the two places where Jesus spoke about the "church" (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ekklesia&lt;/span&gt;) we assume we know what He was talking about. It's obvious isn't it? He was referring to groups of people who meet in tidy buildings, in rows of chairs neatly set out; following the same order of services they have since the apostles (4 hymns, 2 readings, an exhortation, prayers, breaking of bread and announcements); with elected arranging brethren, presiding brethren, rostered organists, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Except that's clearly not what Jesus understand by "church"/&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ekklesia&lt;/span&gt;. Even if He was thinking 1800 years into the future His audience obviously couldn't have had that vision in &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;their &lt;/span&gt;minds when they heard Him speak of church/&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ekklesia&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what did He mean? When Jesus referred (only twice) to the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ekklesia &lt;/span&gt;He used a word which was used in the LXX Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible to refer to Israel as God's community. It was a word which meant (to a Jewish audience) "the people of God", and it was a word which included the whole community. So in Matthew 18 when Jesus spoke about being reconciled with a brother, He said we should first enlist the help of a trusted friend, if necessary get one or two others involved, and then if really necessary we should get the help of the whole community of God's people in order to be reconciled with a brother.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we find in the Hebrew Bible that on important occasions when God's people presented themselves before God that they did so as HOUSEHOLDS. Passover was to be kept by the whole household. When the tithe was presented to the Lord the whole household had to be there to eat together "in the presence of the Lord" (Deut 14:22-27). When the Philippian jailer was converted his whole household was baptised and joined the community of God's people (Acts 16:33). The (unbaptised) children of believers are "holy" (1 Cor 7:14).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture is screaming out to us in these verses and elsewhere that God is interested in families, households and communities. The community of God's people includes new converts, those who have passed down the Word of God for generation after generation, parents, their children who are also "holy", single people, the Sunday School, the Youth Group, the elderly with dementia in nursing homes, and all those in the care of God's people. Together they make up the "congregation of Israel", the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ekklesia&lt;/span&gt;, the community of God's people, the Body of Christ.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6600553455485141989?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6600553455485141989/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6600553455485141989' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6600553455485141989'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6600553455485141989'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/12/body-of-christ.html' title='The Body of Christ'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1776668586594338273</id><published>2008-12-11T08:47:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T11:07:54.248+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lord&apos;s table'/><title type='text'>The Lord's table - thanksgiving</title><content type='html'>I think we have such an emphasis on "atonement" in our theology that we might have missed the point about the bread and wine by seeing them as symbols of the literal body and blood of a human sacrifice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I believe Jesus is actually picking up on a very strong theme in the Hebrew prophets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are just a few verses where the prophets talk about the kind of sacrifices God desires.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having already said that the time would come when Israel "will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol" (Hos 3:4) Hosea went on to preach about what God wants when sacrifice is unavailable. He said "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings" (6:6).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In chapter 14 he spells it out further:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; 1 Return, O Israel, to the LORD your God.&lt;br /&gt;      Your sins have been your downfall!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 Take words with you&lt;br /&gt;      and return to the LORD.&lt;br /&gt;      Say to him:&lt;br /&gt;      "Forgive all our sins&lt;br /&gt;      and receive us graciously,&lt;br /&gt;      that we may offer the fruit of our lips. [a]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[a] Or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;offer our lips as sacrifices of bulls&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Reading the Hebrew literally (as the NIV footnote does above) we realise that the sacrifices of bulls are to be replaced by "our lips" i.e our words/prayers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When he was inside the fish Jonah prayed and said "with a song of thanksgiving, [I] will sacrifice to you" (2:9).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Micah 6 has a similar view on sacrifice:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;6 With what shall I come before the LORD&lt;br /&gt;      and bow down before the exalted God?&lt;br /&gt;      Shall I come before him with burnt offerings,&lt;br /&gt;      with calves a year old?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,&lt;br /&gt;      with ten thousand rivers of oil?&lt;br /&gt;      Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression,&lt;br /&gt;      the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8 He has showed you, O man, what is good.&lt;br /&gt;      And what does the LORD require of you?&lt;br /&gt;      To act justly and to love mercy&lt;br /&gt;      and to walk humbly with your God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Amos has a similar message (chapter 5):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;21 "I hate, I despise your religious feasts;&lt;br /&gt;      I cannot stand your assemblies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,&lt;br /&gt;      I will not accept them.&lt;br /&gt;      Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,&lt;br /&gt;      I will have no regard for them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;23 Away with the noise of your songs!&lt;br /&gt;      I will not listen to the music of your harps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;24 But let justice roll on like a river,&lt;br /&gt;      righteousness like a never-failing stream! &lt;/blockquote&gt;The prophetic theme here is consistent. God would abolish sacrifices and remove the Temple and priesthood and replace them with "thanksgiving", the "sacrifice of praise" and a people who would act justly, love mercy and walk humbly with God, when God's justice and righteousness would prevail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Malachi 1 even suggests that the time would come when the Temple doors would be shut and the Gentiles (nations) would bring a "pure sacrifice" of prayer (symbolised by "incense" see Rev 5:8).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;10 "Oh, that one of you would shut the temple doors, so that you would not light useless fires on my altar! I am not pleased with you," says the LORD Almighty, "and I will accept no offering from your hands. 11 My name will be great among the nations, from the rising to the setting of the sun. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to my name, because my name will be great among the nations," says the LORD Almighty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Jesus' message of the coming kingdom reached a climax when He cleared the Temple, indicating that the time had come for the sacrifices to end. Almost immediately thereafter He has a meal with His disciples when He says the usual prayers (thanksgiving) over the bread and wine and says "do this" as a memorial. Do what? Offer thanks. Acknowledge God. Offer to God our lips as sacrifices of praise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Little wonder then that the earliest word the church coined for the re-enactement of the last supper was "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;eucharist&lt;/span&gt;" which means "thanksgiving"! This partly comes from Paul's expression that we share a "cup of blessing/thanksgiving". The point of the bread and wine is that they are about giving THANKS in place of offering the body and blood of bulls. So Jesus said of the items over which the blessing/thanksgiving would be said "THIS is my body and blood" i.e. thanksgiving under the new covenant replaces the body and blood of bulls under the old covenant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So much of what Jesus did and said was grounded solidly in the preaching of the prophets about the coming kingdom, and the cleansing of the Temple and the last supper were "eschatalogical moments" in which Jesus was declaring that they had reached a climax in God's dealings with humanity. But if we overlook the immense influence of the prophets in how Jesus understood His own role we miss these beautiful connections.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1776668586594338273?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1776668586594338273/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1776668586594338273' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1776668586594338273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1776668586594338273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/12/lords-table-thanksgiving.html' title='The Lord&apos;s table - thanksgiving'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3478403732008634764</id><published>2008-12-03T08:08:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2008-12-14T19:45:09.733+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Grace'/><title type='text'>Disproportionate grace</title><content type='html'>An Australian ecclesia recently decided to "dissociate" itself from another ecclesia because they don't like the "disproportionate emphasis on the doctrine of grace" by the other ecclesia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A "disproportionate emphasis on the doctrine of grace" sounds like an oxymoron to me. "Grace" is all about God's abundant, overflowing, overwhelming, infinite, disproportionate generosity!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul used the word "grace" about 80 times in his letters. John says “grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17) and “from the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another” (1:16). Luke said “all spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words [or words of grace] that came from his lips” (Luke 4:22). Paul said he taught "the gospel of grace" (Acts 20:24). Many of Jesus stories and parables emphasised the disproportionate nature of God's generosity. If we don't understand disproportionate grace we really don't understand the Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Members of the ecclesia concerned would no doubt benefit by reading some of the following helpful books:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Law and Grace&lt;/span&gt; by Christadelphian author W.F. Barling&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Conviction and Conduct&lt;/span&gt; by Christadelphian author Islip Collyer&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Legalism vs. Faith&lt;/span&gt; by Christadelphian author David Levin&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;The Grace Awakening&lt;/span&gt; by Charles Swindoll&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;What's So Amazing About Grace?&lt;/span&gt; by Philip Yancey&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3478403732008634764?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3478403732008634764/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3478403732008634764' title='21 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3478403732008634764'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3478403732008634764'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/12/disproportionate-grace.html' title='Disproportionate grace'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>21</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-7259793694741861538</id><published>2008-11-30T22:04:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-30T22:07:00.256+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><title type='text'>Spiritual leadership (5)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Edward Fudge&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP (5)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have been considering three fundamental truths of spiritual leadership.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(1) Spiritual leadership involves lowly service, not legal power&lt;/span&gt;. Therefore we must not confuse spiritual leadership with political position. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(2) Spiritual leaders exercise grace-gifts from God, not worldly qualifications. &lt;/span&gt;Therefore we dare not focus on worldly achievements when choosing spiritual leaders. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(3) The Bible identifies gifted people, not legal qualifications&lt;/span&gt;. Therefore we should not confuse technical qualifications with spiritual characteristics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture nowhere provides a single, uniform list of qualifications for spiritual leaders. There are two New Testament passages which people often read in that fashion, written by Paul to his co-workers Timothy (1 Tim. 3:1-7) and Titus (Titus 1:5-9). However, when we read these passages carefully, we discover that they differ in several significant ways. Paul gives Timothy a description of the individual gifted for the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;episkopes&lt;/span&gt; ("oversight," "episcopacy" or "bishopric"), the work of overseeing or watching over other believers. He sends Titus a description of the person gifted to serve as a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;presbyteros&lt;/span&gt; ("senior," "elder" or "presbyter"). Christian scholars differ as to whether elders and bishops served in one position or two in the first century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These two passages also contain different descriptives. Of the 30-35 traits mentioned in the two lists, only five are the same in Greek. If Paul were listing official qualifications, we would expect his lists to be identical. In addition, the descriptives Paul does give are often negative in form (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;don't&lt;/span&gt; pick this kind of person). The named traits are almost always relative as to quality (no precise threshold given). And there is no attempt to define these sometimes ambiguous terms. Paul is certainly not listing formal qualifications for an office, but is rather giving informal descriptions of those who are divinely gifted for the ministry of spiritual leadership.&lt;br /&gt;______________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Copyright 2008 by Edward Fudge. You are encouraged to share this gracEmail freely, widely and in its entirety (including this final paragraph).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-7259793694741861538?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/7259793694741861538/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=7259793694741861538' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7259793694741861538'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7259793694741861538'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/spiritual-leadership-5.html' title='Spiritual leadership (5)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6941950680265751684</id><published>2008-11-27T19:47:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-27T19:49:46.443+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Legalism'/><title type='text'>Legalism - a way of life</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SS5e873qL8I/AAAAAAAAAF8/wM5G_D6Ldik/s1600-h/legalism.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 287px; height: 320px;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SS5e873qL8I/AAAAAAAAAF8/wM5G_D6Ldik/s320/legalism.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5273256614653734850" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I received this today by email from a friend. I don't know where it originated (so I hope I'm not breaching copyright by posting it here).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6941950680265751684?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6941950680265751684/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6941950680265751684' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6941950680265751684'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6941950680265751684'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/legalism-way-of-life.html' title='Legalism - a way of life'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SS5e873qL8I/AAAAAAAAAF8/wM5G_D6Ldik/s72-c/legalism.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8133214085884936847</id><published>2008-11-23T19:09:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-23T19:10:33.155+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><title type='text'>Spiritual Leadership (4)</title><content type='html'>&lt;center&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edward Fudge&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP (4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/center&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The &lt;b&gt;mission&lt;/b&gt; of spiritual leadership is the transformation of God's  people into the likeness of Jesus Christ (Eph. 4:7-16). It is not to construct  buildings, create programs, attract crowds or to build an institution. However,  the transformation of human beings is a supernatural result, which cannot be  achieved through mere human planning or power. It requires supernatural  &lt;b&gt;means&lt;/b&gt;, in the form of grace-gifts bestowed on every member of Christ's  body (1 Cor. 12:27-31). And the &lt;b&gt;method&lt;/b&gt; of spiritual leadership is lowly  service, performed in the meekness of Christ, in the power of God and to his  glory (Mark 10:42-45; 1 Peter 4:10-11). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;For all these reasons, we dare not focus on any human &lt;b&gt;marker&lt;/b&gt; of  worldly success -- whether academic, business, professional or financial -- when  selecting leaders for the church of God. Such fleshly qualifications contribute  nothing toward spiritual leadership. Indeed, they might get in the way, insofar  as they tempt leaders and followers alike to lose sight of the divine mission,  means and method of spiritual leadership as revealed in Scripture. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;We do not create spiritual leaders by selecting people and ordaining them to  leadership roles. Instead, we look among God's people and recognize individuals  whom God has gifted for this service. Such people have a heart set on the  &lt;b&gt;mission&lt;/b&gt; of facilitating transformed lives. They rely already on the  &lt;b&gt;means&lt;/b&gt; God provides for this task -- grace-gifts to be exercised in his  power and to his glory. They trust the divine &lt;b&gt;method&lt;/b&gt; of spiritual  leadership, which is humble service in the footprints of Jesus himself. The  people whom God has gifted for spiritual leadership are clearly recognizable --  not by worldly &lt;b&gt;markers&lt;/b&gt; of success, but by traits that identify them as  intimates of the Savior, filled with his Spirit, committed to his service and  devoted to his glory.&lt;br /&gt;___________________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Copyright 2008 by Edward Fudge. You are permitted and encouraged to  distribute this gracEmail as widely as possible, but only in its entirety,  unchanged and not-for-profit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8133214085884936847?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8133214085884936847/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8133214085884936847' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8133214085884936847'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8133214085884936847'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/spiritual-leadership-4.html' title='Spiritual Leadership (4)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2333673429862079524</id><published>2008-11-21T10:12:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-21T10:13:59.678+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><title type='text'>Spiritual Leadership (3)</title><content type='html'>&lt;center&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edward Fudge&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP (3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/center&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;What does spiritual leadership look like, when one realizes that it involves  lowly service and not legal power? Paul describes its conduct under three  different circumstances: correcting a wrongdoer; encountering a controversialist  and dealing with a divisive person. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;If required to correct a fellow-Christian who is doing wrong, the person who  thinks he or she has legal power will usually be rude, domineering, harsh and  perhaps self-righteous. Instead, Paul tells Timothy: “Do not &lt;i&gt;rebuke&lt;/i&gt; an  older man but &lt;i&gt;encourage&lt;/i&gt; him as you would a father, younger men as  brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity” (1  Tim. 5:1-2). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Similarly, controversy often brings out the worst in people, especially those  filled with self-importance because of their supposed authority or position of  power. So Paul writes: "Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies;  you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be  quarrelsome but kind to everyone . . . patiently enduring evil, correcting his  opponents with gentleness" (2 Tim. 2:23-25). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Even if God's leader is kind, patient and gentle as Paul instructs,  controversialists are sometimes rough, short-tempered and unkind -- and  persistently so in each respect. When encountering such a divisive individual,  the spiritual leader whose role is to serve and not to assume power or assert  authority will have as little as possible to do with that one, and will seek to  avoid his or her presence. This is Paul's counsel: "As for a person who stirs up  division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with  him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned"  (Titus 3:10-11).&lt;br /&gt;______________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Copyright 2008 by Edward Fudge. You are encouraged to share this gracEmail  freely, widely and in its entirety (including this final paragraph).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2333673429862079524?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2333673429862079524/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2333673429862079524' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2333673429862079524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2333673429862079524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/spiritual-leadership-3.html' title='Spiritual Leadership (3)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5862230749349670404</id><published>2008-11-16T22:28:00.001+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-16T22:28:55.416+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><title type='text'>Spiritual Leadership (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;center&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;Edward Fudge&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP (2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/center&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The first scriptural truth we observe is that &lt;i&gt;spiritual leadership  involves lowly service, not legal power.&lt;/i&gt; This truth raises a caution --  &lt;i&gt;Do not confuse spiritual leadership with political position.&lt;/i&gt; Jesus leaves  no room for confusion on this point (Mark 10:42-45). Secular rulers "lord it  over" their subjects and "exercise authority" over them. "But it shall not be so  among you," Jesus continues. Instead, "whoever would be great among you must be  your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all." This  is the pattern set by Jesus himself, the "Son of Man," who "came not to be  served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Peter applies the same truth when instructing spiritual leaders among his  churches (1 Peter 5:1-5). He exhorts senior leaders ("the elders among you") to  "shepherd the flock of God that is among you." They will be "exercising  oversight," but, if they obey the apostolic instruction, "not domineering over"  those in their charge, but "being examples to the flock." Spiritual leadership  is moral in nature and it is done primarily by example and by teaching. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;It is entirely possible that these "elders" are not office-holders at all,  but rather senior Christians who are highly-respected for their lives of faith  and service. As Peter continues his encouragement, he uses the word "elders" in  a relative sense regarding age and experience. "Likewise, you who are  &lt;i&gt;younger,&lt;/i&gt; be subject to the &lt;i&gt;elders."&lt;/i&gt; Believers of every age are  told to "clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for  ‘God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.’”&lt;br /&gt;______________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Copyright 2008 by Edward Fudge. You are encouraged to share this gracEmail  freely, widely and in its entirety (including this final paragraph).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5862230749349670404?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5862230749349670404/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5862230749349670404' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5862230749349670404'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5862230749349670404'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/spiritual-leadership-2.html' title='Spiritual Leadership (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4527377418029016922</id><published>2008-11-15T10:56:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-16T22:28:14.967+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Characteristics of Christian leaders'/><title type='text'>Spiritual Leadership (1)</title><content type='html'>The following article by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Edward Fudge&lt;/span&gt; arrived today as a &lt;span pt="" style=";font-size:100%;color:red;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;u&gt;gracEmail®&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is very relevant to a series I wrote earlier on characteristics of Christian leaders. It is numbered (1) so I'm expecting it will be a series.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Very many churches suffer today from a lack of spiritual leadership. That  diagnosis is true across denominational lines. It fits both urban and rural  churches. It applies equally to rich and poor, to people of all races, without  regard to their country, state or province, town or village. The truth is that  we all can benefit from a fresh look at biblical teaching on this subject. For  the next few gracEmails, I would like to challenge us to consider three  fundamental truths of spiritual leadership. &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The first truth is that &lt;i&gt;spiritual leadership involves lowly service, not  legal power.&lt;/i&gt; This truth raises a caution -- &lt;i&gt;Do not confuse spiritual  leadership with political position.&lt;/i&gt; Jesus teaches this in clear language, as  we will see. Peter applies the principle in writing his churches. Paul describes  it in action under a variety of circumstances as he instructs and guides his  proteges and trainees Timothy and Titus. The apostle shows what spiritual  leadership looks like when correcting a wrongdoer, encountering a  controversialist and dealing with a divisive person. We will consider his  guidance for each situation. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The second truth is that &lt;i&gt;spiritual leaders exercise grace-gifts from God,  not worldly qualifications.&lt;/i&gt; This truth also raises a caution -- &lt;i&gt;Do not  focus on worldly achievements when choosing spiritual leaders.&lt;/i&gt; Too often,  churches focus on educational degrees, professional expertise or financial  success when seeking out spiritual leaders. Yet not one of those elements has  any necessary relationship to spiritual maturity, worthiness of imitation,  Christlikeness or ability to teach, model and inspire others toward godliness  and Christian maturity. When churches use improper standards for selecting  spiritual leaders, they are almost certain to come to spiritual stagnation (even  if the institutional church thrives). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;The third truth is that &lt;i&gt;the Bible identifies gifted people, not legal  qualifications.&lt;/i&gt; This creates a caution -- &lt;i&gt;Do not confuse technical  qualifications with spiritual character.&lt;/i&gt; Scripture does not provide a  single, uniform list of "qualifications" for spiritual leaders. Two texts which  people sometimes try to convert into such a list of legal or technical  qualifications are found in First Timothy and Titus. Yet a close reading reveals  that the descriptions in these two passages differ from each other, as do the  very names or terms used of the servant-leadership role envisioned. Further, the  descriptives found in these two epistles are often negative in form, almost  always relative as to quality, and incapable of precise definition -- a task  which Scripture never does for us or even suggests that we should try to do for  ourselves. God willing, we will consider these three basic truths and  corresponding cautions one by one in upcoming gracEmails.&lt;br /&gt;______________ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;Copyright 2008 by Edward Fudge. You are encouraged to share this gracEmail  freely, widely and in its entirety (including this final paragraph).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="color:black;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4527377418029016922?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4527377418029016922/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4527377418029016922' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4527377418029016922'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4527377418029016922'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/spiritual-leadership.html' title='Spiritual Leadership (1)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2920507965284468885</id><published>2008-11-15T10:09:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-15T10:56:11.566+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Doctrine and Conduct'/><title type='text'>Orthodoxy and orthopraxy</title><content type='html'>There is currently a discussion on the Facebook group "&lt;a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32497162987&amp;amp;ref=nf"&gt;Christadelphians Worldwide&lt;/a&gt;" about the question "what's important (and what's not)?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Duncan Heaster&lt;/span&gt; posted some excellent thoughts in response to something I'd written elsewhere, and with his permission I have reproduced them below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Practical teaching without sound theology is as impoverished as sound theology without practical teaching. The New Testament doesn’t make the distinction between orthodoxy and orthopraxy [good practice] that we often do, nor is there any hint in the Scriptures, as far as I can see, that God will forgive bad behavior more readily than poor theology, or vice versa. We need to teach them both and teach them well.” — Steve Cook&lt;/blockquote&gt;It needs to be read a few times for it to sink in. I suspect one of the barriers to accepting what you say here is the idea folk have that the word "doctrine" refers only to theology and the propositional statements which can accompany it, positive and negative- e.g. one God, no heaven going, Kingdom on earth, devil didn't fall off the 99th floor etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reality is that Biblically, 'doctrine' means simply 'teaching'- and the 'teaching' of the inspired writers was largely about intensely practical things. Thus the perceived difference between 'doctrine' [as many understand the word] and 'practice' is actually false. Teaching is practical- for the NT isn't given to just ivory tower theology for the sake of it. Indeed the whole of the NT is a collection of missionary documents- preaching, letters to new converts etc. And even when there is pure theology taught, this is always in a practical context- it is the springboard for action, not an end in itself. The way the two sections of Romans tie together is a nice example - 1-11 is the theology, the theory, and 12-16 is the practical outcome of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christadelphianism has some good theology, that's why I am a Christadelphian and not in some other group, but the challenge is to articulate all that true theology in practical terms. If that's not done, then the true theology hasn't been believed in the sense it is intended to be believed- it's simply been assembled and protected in a glass case. The talent has to be traded, not wrapped up and 'preserved' in the earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jonah 2:9 contains the enigmatic statement that those who "hold to empty faiths" (Heb.) "forsake their own &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hesed&lt;/span&gt;". &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Hesed &lt;/span&gt;basically refers to the capacity a superior has to show mercy, grace and love to someone in an inferior position. For over 20 years I wondered what Jonah was really getting at. I think I then grasped it- those who hold to empty faiths forego the capacity to show &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hesed&lt;/span&gt;, favour to others- the implication being that the result of the one true faith is that we are empowered to show &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hesed&lt;/span&gt;, love, favour, grace, mercy, to others. And this ties in perfectly with 1 Pet. 1:22- we obey the truth unto, with the result that, we show "unfeigned love of the brethren". This is how and where true doctrine comes to its ultimate term- love of others.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2920507965284468885?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2920507965284468885/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2920507965284468885' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2920507965284468885'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2920507965284468885'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/orthodoxy-and-orthopraxy.html' title='Orthodoxy and orthopraxy'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3894114251193184845</id><published>2008-11-08T12:13:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-08T12:18:27.204+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><title type='text'>AD381 by Charles Freeman</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SRToR3UJ_UI/AAAAAAAAAF0/SzqRB323ccA/s1600-h/AD381.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 240px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SRToR3UJ_UI/AAAAAAAAAF0/SzqRB323ccA/s320/AD381.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5266089257906863426" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/381-D-Heretics-Pagans-Christian/dp/1845950062/ref=wl_it_dp?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;coliid=I1X4705SDR6BHV&amp;amp;colid=GJN9SAP7A4NG"&gt;new book&lt;/a&gt; by historian Charles Freeman looks good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"'We authorise followers of this law to assume the title of orthodox Christians; but as for the others since, in our judgement, they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious names of heretics.' Emperor Theodosius" &lt;/blockquote&gt;In 381 AD, Theodosius, emperor of the eastern Roman Empire, issued a decree in which all his subjects were required to subscribe to a belief in the Trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This edict defined Christianity; all other interpretations were now declared heretical. Moreover, for the first time in a thousand years of Greco-Roman civilization, free thought was unambiguously suppressed. Yet surprisingly, this political revolution, intended to bring inner cohesion to an empire under threat from the outside, has been airbrushed from the historical record. Instead, it has been claimed that the Christian Church had reached a consensus on the Trinity which was promulgated at the Council of Constantinople in 381.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This groundbreaking new book shows that the Council was in fact a shambolic affair, which only took place after Theodosius’s decree had become law. In short, the Church was acquiescing in the overwhelming power of the Emperor. Freeman argues that the edict and the subsequent suppression of paganism not only brought an end to religious and philosophical diversity throughout the Empire, but created numerous theological problems for the Church that have remained unsolved. The year AD 381, Freeman concludes, marked “a turning point which time forgot.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3894114251193184845?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3894114251193184845/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3894114251193184845' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3894114251193184845'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3894114251193184845'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/11/ad381-by-charles-freeman.html' title='AD381 by Charles Freeman'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SRToR3UJ_UI/AAAAAAAAAF0/SzqRB323ccA/s72-c/AD381.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5938865237417111039</id><published>2008-08-14T20:48:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-14T21:44:01.336+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><title type='text'>The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (3)</title><content type='html'>Some Christadelphians argue that the Holy Spirit was given to certain people in Biblical times so that they could perform miraculous signs to prove that their message was truly from God. They then go on to argue that seeing as we now have the Word of God in its final and complete form (i.e. in the Bible), there is no further need for these authenticating miraculous signs, and therefore no further need for the Holy Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, this argument lacks Scriptural support.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, John the Baptist (of whom Jesus said: "among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist" [Matthew 11:11]) was "full of the Holy Spirit even from birth" (Luke 1:15). If the Holy Spirit was given to individuals for the purpose of authenticating their message through miraculous signs then we should expect that this man who was the greatest of the prophets (and indeed the greatest among those born of women!) and who was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;full &lt;/span&gt;of the Holy Spirit from birth would have performed some outstanding miraculous signs. Yet we are told very specifically in Scripture that  "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;John never performed a miraculous sign&lt;/span&gt;" (John 10:41).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A couple of things puzzle me. The Christadelphian writer I quoted in an earlier post also wrote: "When God pours out his Spirit, He gives unmistakable signs so that others can see and believe."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, this is not what I see in Scripture. David had the Holy Spirit (Psalm 51:11; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:16; 4:25), but what "unmistakable signs" did he do "so that others can see and believe"? John the Baptist was full of the Holy Spirit from birth, but what "unmistakable signs" did he do "so that others can see and believe"? What about those in the early Corinthian  church who Paul quite specifically said could not speak in tongues or perform miraculous signs, yet were filled with the Holy Spirit? What "unmistakable signs" could they do "so that others can see and believe"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some Christadelphians resort to emotional arguments when it becomes clear that their position lacks Biblical evidence. For example, I've had Christadelphians say to me "if you have the Holy Spirit then why don't you go into hospitals and heal everyone? If you were truly a loving and compassionate person you would use this gift to eradicate suffering." This question and its accompanying comment not only lack logic, they actually ignore the Biblical evidence. If anyone could go into hospitals and heal all the sick then it would have been our Lord Himself. Yet Jesus &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;didn't &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;heal all the sick people He encountered, even when He had the opportunity. In Acts 3:1-10 we read of a man who had been crippled from birth and who was carried every day to the Beautiful Gate at the Jerusalem Temple. Anyone going into the Temple had to pass through this gate. It was the perfect place to beg. This would have meant that Jesus passed him every time He went into the Temple, and every time He passed up the opportunity to heal this man. Did Jesus lack love and compassion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2 Timothy 4:20 we read Paul saying that "I left Trophimus &lt;b&gt;sick&lt;/b&gt; in Miletus". Paul clearly had the Holy Spirit, yet he didn't use this gift to heal a fellow-missionary who was sick. Either he &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;couldn't &lt;/span&gt;heal him, or he &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;wouldn't&lt;/span&gt;. Did Paul lack compassion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The assertion that someone who has the Holy Spirit should go into hospitals and heal all the sick is not only contrary to the examples of people full of the Holy Spirit such as Jesus, Paul and John the Baptist, but is based on the false assumption that the Holy Spirit enables its recipients to perform miracles and to heal the sick. John didn't perform miracles, and Jesus and Paul didn't heal all the sick they encountered. Paul explained very clearly to the Corinthians that while all believers have the [Holy] Spirit, they do not have the same kinds of gifts: "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit" (1 Cor 12:4). He explained that there are different "manifestations" of the Spirit. Through some people the Spirit is manifested in miracles, through another in healings, through others in faith, words of wisdom, or knowledge. Paul went on to ask the questions "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? &lt;span id="en-NIV-28649" class="sup"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" (vv. 29-30). Obviously not everyone can work miracles. Not everyone speaks in tongues. We can't all heal the sick. Yet everyone in the body of Christ has the [Holy] Spirit (e.g. see verses 3 and 7).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5938865237417111039?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5938865237417111039/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5938865237417111039' title='16 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5938865237417111039'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5938865237417111039'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/08/spirit-holy-spirit-and-word-3.html' title='The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (3)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>16</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-55432437395016118</id><published>2008-08-13T20:43:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-13T21:11:49.834+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><title type='text'>The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (2)</title><content type='html'>In my previous post I referred to a theory advanced by one Christadelphian writer and widespread in Christadelphianism that the Bible uses the term &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;to mean a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus created by the impact of the gospel on an individual" while the term &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt; means "God's power ... given in the first century for specific purposes".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This theory does not explain the many Scriptures I quoted in my previous post where the terms "the Spirit" and "the Holy Spirit" are used interchangeably. But if we accept the theory as reasonable for a moment and apply that writer's definitions to the parallel Gospel accounts then we will see that it is impossible for these texts to have both meanings at the same time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, in Matt 3:16 we read that after Jesus' baptism they saw "the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. " If the popular Christadelphian theory is correct then Matthew meant that  a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus (or God) created by the impact of the gospel on an individual" descended on Jesus. That would hardly make sense, and would be difficult to reconcile with the parallel account (Luke 3:22) which says that "the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove" and would therefore mean that "God's power ... given in the first century for specific purposes" descended on Him. So what was it that descended on Jesus? Was it God's power, given for specific purposes, or was it a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus (or God) created by the impact of the gospel on an individual"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As another example,  Matt 12:43 refers to "David, speaking by the Spirit" while Mark 12:36 says David was speaking by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy &lt;/span&gt;Spirit. So was David speaking by God's power, given for specific purposes, or by a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus (or God) created by the impact of the gospel on an individual"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 7:39 refers to "the Spirit, which those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified." How could this mean the "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus created by the impact of the gospel on an individual" and not the giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost or "God's power ... given in the first century for specific purposes"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In  John 14:17, 26; 16:15 the "Counsellor" (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;parakletos&lt;/span&gt;) is also called "the Spirit of truth", simply "the Spirit" and "the Holy Spirit".  How could the Counsellor be both a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus created by the impact of the gospel on an individual" and "God's power ... given in the first century for specific purposes" at the same time? How we are able to tell when the Counsellor is "a mental and moral disposition" and when it is "God's power", or can it be both at the same time?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Jesus said "But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you" (Matt 12:28) did He drive out demons by the "mental and moral likeness" of God, or by "the power of God"? If the latter, then why did our Lord use a term that we should understand to mean "a mental and moral likeness"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once we put this theory to the test we see that the Christadelphian distinction between Spirit and Holy Spirit cannot be applied consistently through Scripture and that in many instances an attempt to apply the distinguishing definitions makes the texts nonsensical.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-55432437395016118?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/55432437395016118/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=55432437395016118' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/55432437395016118'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/55432437395016118'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/08/spirit-holy-spirit-and-word-2.html' title='The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1748256531007608832</id><published>2008-08-13T20:09:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-13T20:42:29.493+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><title type='text'>The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (1)</title><content type='html'>There is a theory which is widespread throughout Christadelphianism that in the Bible the terms "Spirit" and "Holy Spirit" mean different things. One Christadelphian writer explained the perceived difference this way:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;is a "mental and moral likeness of the Lord Jesus created by the impact of the gospel on an individual" while the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt; is "God's power ... given in the first century for specific purposes". &lt;/blockquote&gt;In this post I'd like to dispel these myths and demonstrate that the Bible uses the terms "Spirit" and "Holy Spirit" interchangeably and that any distinction between them is artificial and unBiblical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By comparing the following parallel accounts in the Gospels we see that the Gospel-writers understood "Spirit" and "Holy Spirit" to mean the same thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1.&lt;/span&gt; Matt 3:16 "As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Spirit of God&lt;/span&gt; descending like a dove and lighting on him. "  (cp. John 1:32 "Then John gave this testimony: "I saw the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.")&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. Luke 3:22 "and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; descended on him in bodily form like a dove. "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;2.&lt;/span&gt; Matt 4:1 "Then Jesus was led by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;into the desert to be tempted by the devil."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. Luke 4:1 "Jesus, full of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, returned from the Jordan and was led by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;in the desert."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;3.&lt;/span&gt; Matt 10:20 "for it will not be you speaking, but the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;of your Father speaking through you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. Luke 12:12 "for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; will teach you at that time what you should say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;4.&lt;/span&gt; Matt 12:31 "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;will not be forgiven. ."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. Mark 3:29 "But whoever blasphemes against &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."  (cp. also Luke 12:10).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;5.&lt;/span&gt; Matt 12:43 "He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, calls him 'Lord'?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. Mark 12:36 David himself, speaking by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, declared: " 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." '.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;6.&lt;/span&gt; Luke 2:26 "It had been revealed to him by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; that he would not die before he had seen the Lord's Christ."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;cp. the next verse (27) "Moved by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, he went into the temple courts."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we read further in the New Testament we see that other writers also meant the same thing by the terms "Spirit" and "Holy Spirit".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, 1 Cor 12:3 "Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Spirit of God&lt;/span&gt; says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;."&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Also, Jude 20 "But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;." Cp. Eph 6:18 "And pray in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;on all occasions."&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Again, 2 Cor 1:21-22 "Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." Cp. Eph 1:13-14 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory."&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The similarity between these passages is striking. The writers obviously saw no difference between 'the Spirit (of God)' and 'the Holy Spirit.' &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The following passage shows that some other terms have the same meaning and are also used interchangeably:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rom 8:9-11 "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, if the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit of God&lt;/span&gt; lives in you. And if anyone does not have the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit of Christ&lt;/span&gt;, he does not belong to Christ. But if &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Christ is in you&lt;/span&gt;, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;his Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, which lives in you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe therefore that it is demonstrable that in Scripture these terms have the same meaning:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    •     the Spirit&lt;br /&gt;    •     the Holy Spirit&lt;br /&gt;    •     the Spirit of God&lt;br /&gt;    •     the Spirit of Christ&lt;br /&gt;    •     Christ in you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other texts show that the NT writers thought of 'the Spirit of God' or 'Holy Spirit' as the same as 'the Spirit of Christ' or 'Spirit of Jesus'. For example:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acts 16:7 "When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit of Jesus&lt;/span&gt; would not allow them to." Cp. the previous verse "Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; from preaching the word in the province of Asia."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, Phil 1:19 refers to "the help given by the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit of Jesus Christ&lt;/span&gt;." Are we to conclude that this is a diffferent 'Spirit' to the help-giving Spirit referred to elsewhere? e.g. Rom 8:26 "In the same way, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit &lt;/span&gt;helps us in our weakness"; 2 Tim 1:14 "Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you–guard it with the help of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt; which lives in us."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consequently, I believe that to say God dwells in us, or Christ dwells in us, is the same as saying the Holy Spirit dwells in us. This is confirmed by the following texts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 14:16-18 "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit of truth&lt;/span&gt; (referred to as "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;" in verse 26). The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is through the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;parakletos&lt;/span&gt;, the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit, that Jesus comes to us. Cf. verse 23 "Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The same concept (i.e. that God 'dwells' in the church and the believer through the Holy Spirit) is found in the following places:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• 1 Cor 3:16-17 "Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;God's Spirit lives in you&lt;/span&gt;? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• cp. 1 Cor 6:19-21 "Do you not know that your body is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;a temple of the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, which is in you, which you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• cp. 2 Cor 6:16 "What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the temple of the living God&lt;/span&gt;. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Eph 2:22 "And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;by his Spirit&lt;/span&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Cp. Eph 3:16-17 "I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;his Spirit in your inner being&lt;/span&gt;, so that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Christ may dwell in your hearts&lt;/span&gt; through faith."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• 1 John 4:13 "We know that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;we live in him and he in us&lt;/span&gt;, because he has given us of his &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Spirit&lt;/span&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This selection is by no means exhaustive, but it is more than adequate to demonstrate that it is quite wrong to make an artificial distinction between the Spirit of God and the Holy Spirit. The Bible uses both terms to mean the same thing, but &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;never &lt;/span&gt;uses the term "Spirit" to mean "the Bible" (more on that later).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1748256531007608832?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1748256531007608832/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1748256531007608832' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1748256531007608832'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1748256531007608832'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/08/spirit-holy-spirit-and-word-1.html' title='The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and the Word (1)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4174120784422577077</id><published>2008-08-03T22:13:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-08-04T20:12:51.018+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authoritarianism'/><title type='text'>Permission needed to start a new ecclesia - IMPORTANT UPDATE</title><content type='html'>I reported &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/following-motion-has-been-proposed-for.html"&gt;earlier&lt;/a&gt; that a motion has been proposed for the Business session of the 2008 Australian Christadelphian Conference which would require new ecclesias to obtain the permission of five other local ecclesias in order to be recognised as a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;bona fide &lt;/span&gt;ecclesia meeting on the basis of the Unity Agreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Fortunately common sense has prevailed and the ecclesia proposing this has now withdrawn their motion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is very encouraging indeed. It tells me that we don't have to put up with the bullying intimidation of a vocal minority, and that the voices of moderate Christadelphians can still have an effect in stopping the progressive spread of extremism and fundamentalism in the Christadelphian community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've also heard that one or two ecclesias in the Brisbane area who were previously members of the &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_21.html"&gt;G13&lt;/a&gt; have now distanced themselves from that pressure group. The G13 was a group which met to discuss other (uninvited) ecclesias to devise ways of either bringing them into line with their own views or excluding them from the wider fellowship of the Christadelphian community.  Such groups are described in clause 44 of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt;  as "collective despotism which would interfere with the free growth and the true objects of ecclesial life".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's very encouraging to see that some ecclesias which were previously associated with this bunch of bullies have come to their senses and withdrawn from the group.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am sure that these two recent developments have partially come about as a result of blogs like this and the considerable number of Christadelphians who have been saying "enough is enough" and making it clear that such conduct is un-Christadelphian and unacceptable. Let's hope that these moderate Christadelphians will have an even louder voice in the future and that the controlling and intimidating elements in the Christadelphian community will eventually be silenced.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4174120784422577077?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4174120784422577077/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4174120784422577077' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4174120784422577077'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4174120784422577077'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/08/permission-needed-to-start-new-ecclesia.html' title='Permission needed to start a new ecclesia - IMPORTANT UPDATE'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-7670965298485380870</id><published>2008-07-29T17:03:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-21T09:25:01.509+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SWOT analysis'/><title type='text'>Christadelphian SWOT analysis (4) - the Holy Spirit</title><content type='html'>In this message, for the first time in this series, I will look at an area of Christadelphian theology where the weaknesses seriously outweigh the strengths. The subject for consideration in this message is  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;STRENGTHS &lt;/span&gt;- the Christadelphian view of the Holy Spirit is that it is the power of God, and not the third person of the trinity. One Christadelphian publication describes the Holy Spirit this way: "by His Holy Spirit, the expression of His power, He [God] controls the affairs of the world according to His ultimate purpose with mankind" and goes on to say "It [the Holy Spirit] is the power by which God achieves His ends, both physical and spiritual" (Fred Pearce, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Who are the Christadelphians? &lt;/span&gt;Christadelphian Magazine and Publishing Association Ltd).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christadelphianism has correctly taught that the trinitarian understanding of the Holy Spirit as a 'person' in the Godhead has no basis in the New Testament or the beliefs of the earliest Christians. Christadelphian theology understands the Holy Spirit to be one with God, and not as a distinct person within the Godhead (The Holy Spirit is "His invisible power or energy breathed forth from His presence, and of like nature with His Glorious Person ... God and His Spirit cannot be separated. They are both one. The sun and the light that comes from the sun are both one. So God, and the Spirit that comes from God, are both one. God is the centre and glorious substantial form of the Spirit that fills heaven and earth." &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Christadelphian Instructor &lt;/span&gt;questions 17 and 18).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WEAKNESSES &lt;/span&gt;- While Christadelphians generally explain the relationship between the Father and Son quite well, Christadelphian teaching about the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;role and purpose &lt;/span&gt;of the Holy Spirit seems to be rather inadequate. Christadelphian literature rarely explains &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;how &lt;/span&gt;God "achieves His ends" through the Holy Spirit (especially not His "spiritual" ends), and sometimes restricts the activities of the Holy Spirit to "power concentrated through an individual or angel for the      purpose of a specific miraculous event or activity" (&lt;span class="scripture"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Testimony:  The Distinctive      Beliefs of the Christadelphians&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;Vol. 58, No. 691, July 1988,       page 254).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This rather limited view and emphasis on the miraculous does not adequately explain how we are &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;sanctified &lt;/span&gt;by the Holy Spirit (Rom 15:16; 2 Thess 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2) or how God can "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;strengthen &lt;/span&gt;you with power through his Spirit in your inner being" (Eph 3:16-19). It does not come to terms with the numerous New Testament references to the continuous activity of the Holy Spirit, such as these:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;"God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit" (Rom 5:5)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;God and Christ "live" in by the Holy Spirit (e.g. 1 Cor 6:19-21; Eph 2:22; 1 John 4:13; John 14:16-18, 23).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Holy Spirit brings about our rebirth and renewal (Titus 3:5)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;By the Holy Spirit we receive hope (Rom 15:13) and joy (Rom 14:17; 1 Thess 1:6)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;It is not enough to say the Holy Spirit is "the power of God". The Holy Spirit is the indwelling &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;presence &lt;/span&gt;of God which enables us to become what God intended us to be. Yet Christadelphians rarely explain this well (a notable exception is the excellent work by Christadelphian writer Edgar Wille: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Holy Spirit - an Expository Survey of New Testament Teaching&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OPPORTUNITIES &lt;/span&gt;- the Christadelphian understanding of God is definitely on the right track. It correctly understands God to be One, and Jesus as the Son of God who was begotten in the womb of Mary and not before creation. Christadelphian theology could benefit enormously by taking into account how the work of God and Christ in bringing believers to maturity is accomplished through the Holy Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THREATS &lt;/span&gt;- there are definite signs that Christadelphians are losing members to churches and denominations which have a greater emphasis on the operation of the Holy Spirit in the Christian life. Perhaps this is because of a void in Christadelphian teaching and practice. It has been said that as a body without breath is dead, so a church without the Spirit of God is spiritually dead. This maxim would explain why those who leave Christadelphianism often complain of the lifelessness, the stifling rigidity, the dullness and morbid legalism of parts of the Christadelphian community. If this threat is not addressed Christadelphians are likely to continue losing members.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-7670965298485380870?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/7670965298485380870/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=7670965298485380870' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7670965298485380870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7670965298485380870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/07/christadelphian-swot-analysis-4-holy.html' title='Christadelphian SWOT analysis (4) - the Holy Spirit'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4232120161347546844</id><published>2008-07-25T17:10:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-07-29T20:06:03.384+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SWOT analysis'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prophecy'/><title type='text'>Christadelphian SWOT analysis (3) - prophecy</title><content type='html'>Continuing with the 'SWOT analysis' theme in this message I will look at the Christadelphian approach to &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;prophecy&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;STRENGTHS &lt;/span&gt;- a major part of the most widely used Christadelphian statements of faith is devoted to the interpretation of prophecy. The Christadelphian approach to prophecy focuses on three things: (1) the second coming of Christ; (2) the kingdom of God on earth; and (3) the restoration of Israel. None of these things are unique to Christadelphians of course, and with an increasing interest in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;eschatology &lt;/span&gt;(study of the 'end times') in mainstream Christianity more and more Christians are coming to accept the importance of some things which have always been important to Christadelphians. I personally agree that these three things are important and valuable for Bible study, and I believe it's good that Christadelphians have always recognised this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WEAKNESSES &lt;/span&gt;-&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;in some parts of the Christadelphian community certain interpretations of prophecy have been elevated to the status of 'essential to be believed'. For example, some ecclesias insist on belief in John Thomas's &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;continuous historic &lt;/span&gt;interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, and regard several details of his prophetic interpretation as 'core doctrines'. I've heard some Christadelphians demand that John Thomas's interpretation of Ezekiel 38, including his view that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Rosh &lt;/span&gt;is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Russia&lt;/span&gt; and that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Tarshish &lt;/span&gt;is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Britain &lt;/span&gt;and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;USA, &lt;/span&gt;should be recognised as fundamental Christadelphian doctrine and anyone holding an alternative view should be 'rejected' (which may mean exclusion from the platform and ecclesial positions, or even disfellowship). I know of at least one 'Central fellowship' ecclesia which demanded belief in Thomas's view that judgment would be at Mt Sinai as a condition for fellowship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This emphasis on prophecy has sometimes led to outrageous interpretations of prophecy being advocated as Christadelphian teaching, when it may only be the opinion of a few. In my own lifetime I've attended public Christadelphian lectures which claimed, for example, that "Man will never walk on the moon" and that "Britain will never enter the Common Market". I've heard Christadelphians publicly predict dates for the second coming (a 'tradition' which began with John Thomas who set a date for the second coming more than once). I've seen Christadelphian advertising saying "the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;rise &lt;/span&gt;of Russia is a sign of Christ's second coming" as well as "the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;fall &lt;/span&gt;of Russia is a sign of Christ's second coming"!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This all contributes to a public perception that Christadelphians are a group of crackpots and that their interpretations of prophecy are nothing more than guesswork and speculation based on the daily newspaper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OPPORTUNITIES &lt;/span&gt;- some Christadelphian commentators such as Harry Whittaker have made substantial contributions to the interpretation of prophecy. While maintaining a focus on the three key areas I listed above, these scholars have helped to draw the brotherhood's attention back to the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;methods &lt;/span&gt;of interpretation rather than just rigidly adhering to the ideas of one man. I believe there is an opportunity here to build on this and to re-look at many of the 'uncertain details' while exploring further the rich sources of Biblical prophetic material and examining many of the prophetic texts which have been glossed over in the past. It would be especially valuable, in my opinion, to study the issues which were important to the prophets (such as justice and equity) rather than just reading prophecy as a way of predicting the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THREATS &lt;/span&gt;- Christadelphians have lost much of their credibility because they have allowed or advocated some 'loony' interpretations of prophecy, some of which have easily been proven to be wrong. It has practically become part of the Christadelphian tradition to interpret current events in the light of questionable interpretations of prophecy and to make very shaky predictions based on a very narrow reading of Scripture (John Thomas, for example, said it was his "maturest conviction" that Rome would never be the capital of Italy!). Christadelphians will continue to lose credibility if they do not shake themselves free of what one brother called the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Christadelphian parlour game"&lt;/span&gt; of predicting future events and if they do not take a fresh look at the real social and religious concerns of the prophets.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4232120161347546844?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4232120161347546844/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4232120161347546844' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4232120161347546844'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4232120161347546844'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/07/christadelphian-swot-analysis-3.html' title='Christadelphian SWOT analysis (3) - prophecy'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5270746322618490086</id><published>2008-07-21T17:15:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-07-29T20:05:41.083+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SWOT analysis'/><title type='text'>Christadelphian SWOT analysis (2) - the Kingdom of God</title><content type='html'>In this message I will do a brief SWOT analysis on the Christadelphian understanding of the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Kingdom of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;STRENGTHS &lt;/span&gt;- traditional Christadelphianism has emphasised that the Gospel is the "good news of the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Kingdom of God &lt;/span&gt;and the name of Jesus Christ". It has rightly focussed on Jesus' teaching that the Kingdom of God will be established on the earth and that our hope is the resurrection of the body. NT Wright, the Bishop of Durham, recently published a book titled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/02/bishop-of-durham-makes-news-on-heaven.html"&gt;Surprised by Hope&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;in which he explained that the hope of Christianity is the resurrection and the restoration and regeneration of the earth, and not some disembodied state in heaven. His teaching is readily catching on apparently (for example, at this years &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/one-hope.html"&gt;Spring Harvest&lt;/a&gt; gathering in the UK several teachers said that there is no immortal soul, no heaven when we die and no torments in hell and there was an emphasis on physical resurrection and the coming kingdom of God).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's great to see mainstream Christianity accepting to some degree a truth which Christadelphians (and others) have always understood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WEAKNESSES  &lt;/span&gt;-  Christadelphian teaching on the Kingdom of God concentrates almost totally on the future consummation of the Kingdom and says very little about the present aspects of the Kingdom. It ignores almost completely the Scriptures which speak of how Christians in this age experience the "powers of the coming age". It also tends to focus on the details of the Kingdom, including the events prior and subsequent to the 'second coming', the building of 'Ezekiel's temple' and the boundaries of the Kingdom. Disagreements about some of these details have also been the cause of divisions in the Christadelphian community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that a potential Christadelphian influence for good on the wider Christian community has been significantly thwarted by the divisions, infighting and negativity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OPPORTUNITIES &lt;/span&gt;- as mainstream churches look closer at the subject of the Kingdom of God, particularly in Jesus' teachings, there is an opportunity for groups such as Christadelphians to join in the dialogue with a spirit of cooperation rather than confrontation in helping our Christian friends to come to a clearer understanding of truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is also an opportunity for Christadelphians to learn from other believers about the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;present&lt;/span&gt; aspects of Kingdom living, and to have a more complete understanding of the subject and a greater experience of God's grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THREATS &lt;/span&gt;- if Christadelphianism continues to ignore or neglect the present Kingdom realities there is a very real possibility that members may shift to denominations which teach &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;both &lt;/span&gt;the coming Kingdom and the present realities. There are some signs that this shift has already begun.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5270746322618490086?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5270746322618490086/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5270746322618490086' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5270746322618490086'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5270746322618490086'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/07/christadelphian-swot-analysis-2.html' title='Christadelphian SWOT analysis (2) - the Kingdom of God'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1646498315557156198</id><published>2008-07-19T18:05:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-11-21T09:25:01.510+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='SWOT analysis'/><title type='text'>Christadelphian SWOT analysis (1) - Christology</title><content type='html'>We're currently at the &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/creed-of-jesus.html"&gt;Australian Restoration Fellowship Conference&lt;/a&gt; in Brisbane and I'm writing this message during one of the few breaks in a intensive programme. Each day we've had 7 sessions and all the speakers have come with different perspectives. At times it has been quite challenging as we've been presented with information and ideas which we may not have seriously considered before, as the speakers and participants come from a variety of denominational backgrounds. Yet the atmosphere here is very 'united' as we celebrate the things we have in common, discuss various ideas with respect for each others  point of view, and embrace the opportunity to share where God has taken us in our individual study of the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things that has really impressed me is that participants who come from the various denominations represented here have all spoken of Christadelphianism respectfully, sometimes admiringly, always lovingly and with great sensitivity, even when discussing where they disagree. This has prompted me to think about the things which Christadelphians have to offer to other Christians, as well as some of the things that Christadelphians could learn from others. I though I would do a '&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;SWOT&lt;/span&gt;' analysis (&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;trengths, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;W&lt;/span&gt;eaknesses, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;O&lt;/span&gt;pportunities, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;hreats) as a short series of messages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this message I'd like to comment on Christadelphian &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Christology &lt;/span&gt;- that is, the Christadelphian view(s) of the nature of Christ and His relationship to the Father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;STRENGTHS &lt;/span&gt;- It's interesting that there have been some very definite trends in theological scholarship over recent years towards a Christology which is remarkably similar to core Christadelphian teaching on the subject. Scholars such as James Dunn have challenged the 'orthodox' view of the pre-existence of Christ and an increasing number of theologians are coming out and saying that the Trinity is not Biblical, cannot be explained in Biblical terms, and was not the belief of the first Christians. Christadelphians have generally done a good job in explaining the relationship between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and in dealing with the various Scriptures which have been quoted in support of the Trinity or pre-existence. Of course, Christadelphians are not alone in this, although they have probably produced more literature on the subject than other non-trinitarian groups.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've have taken note that at this Conference a number of people have commented favourably on the contribution that Christadelphians have made to study of this subject, and some have remarked that their own ideas have been directly or indirectly influenced by Christadelphianism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;WEAKNESSES - &lt;/span&gt;despite having the same core beliefs it is indeed tragic that Christadelphians have splintered over the doctrine of the nature of Christ, almost always over matters which are extremely technical and often beyond the comprehension of the rank and file of members. There has been a great deal of bitterness and anger between brethren of different 'fellowships' and some divisions which were created generations ago still haven't been been healed. This is to the shame of Christadelphians. At this Conference I've heard people remark that it's staggering almost beyond belief that Christadelphians who understand Christology so well have divided over minor technical issues rather than standing united and presenting a strong case to other Christians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Christadelphian disputes over the 'sinfulness' or otherwise of Jesus' human nature, whether He needed to 'offer for Himself' and whether His human nature was the object of God's wrath have, in my opinion, often degraded into personal attacks where the beauty of the core doctrines has been lost in the muck that has been thrown around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OPPORTUNITIES - &lt;/span&gt;as Christians in mainstream churches examine the challenge that has been created by the trend amongst theological scholars towards a more Biblical Christology, and as they wrestle with these theological issues, there is an opportunity for those who have held to a Socinian-unitarian position (such as Christadelphians) to weigh into the dialogue with a spirit of cooperation rather than confrontation. We should adopt the attitude that we are helping our Christian friends to come to a clearer understanding of truth, rather than attacking them for their 'apostacy'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is also an opportunity for Christadelphians to learn from other believers, whether they are trinitarian or non-trinitarian, to clarify their own thinking, to 'fine tune' their theology and to adopt a healthy respect for the enormous scholarship that has been done in other areas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;THREATS - &lt;/span&gt;If Christadelphians don't dump their baggage which has been accumulated over generations of infighting and schism and adopt a gentler method of explaining their views, they may become useless to God as His witnesses to these truths and become an irrelevancy.  Some serious work has to be done to not only repair the breaches of the past but to put an end to the divisive spirit which created them in the first place.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1646498315557156198?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1646498315557156198/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1646498315557156198' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1646498315557156198'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1646498315557156198'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/07/christadelphian-swot-analysis.html' title='Christadelphian SWOT analysis (1) - Christology'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4736958978676794038</id><published>2008-07-12T11:48:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-07-16T12:07:51.671+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Video clips (songs)'/><title type='text'>I will praise You in this storm</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uHdcyue0bSw&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uHdcyue0bSw&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is one of my favourite songs from Casting Crowns (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;words by Mark Hall/music by Mark Hall and Bernie Herms)&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is based on themes taken from Scriptures such as Job 1:21 ("The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;  may the name of the LORD be praised") and perhaps Psalm 150:2 ("Praise him for his acts of power").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To me this song captures some of how I've felt when I've wrestled with why God doesn't "reach down" and "fix" things, why sometimes He takes away people that we love, and why in the midst of the storms of life His voice sometimes seems to be just a whisper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just over three years over ago I lost one of my closest friends in a tragic accident, and my wife Stephanie lost her only brother. Barely a day goes by when we don't think of him and miss him dearly. Mike had suffered some terrible injustices in recent years and was just getting his life back when it was snatched from him. I couldn't understand why God would allow this accident to happen when life was just coming good again. It seemed to me that God's timing was all wrong - it made no sense at all to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This Scripture had real meaning for me at the time: "The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;  may the name of the LORD be praised".  These are the words of Job when everything had been taken from him, yet he praised God. I think I learned from Job's experience that God's ways may not make sense to us, they may seem to be untimely or even unjust, and we may struggle to find meaning in what He does. Yet if we praise Him in our storms we find comfort in the knowledge that He is in control and we are reminded that He is with us, even if we don't clearly hear His voice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope this song will speak to you as well.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4736958978676794038?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4736958978676794038/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4736958978676794038' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4736958978676794038'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4736958978676794038'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-will-praise-you-in-this-storm.html' title='I will praise You in this storm'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2851971119951100627</id><published>2008-06-28T11:19:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-28T12:48:59.750+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authoritarianism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Exclusivism (in fellowship)'/><title type='text'>Fellowshipping an out-of-fellowship person (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;u&gt;This is Cliff's response to comments made about an &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;a style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;" href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/following-motion-has-been-proposed-for.html"&gt;earlier message&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, who is the Brother who is in Pine Rivers who has been "dis-fellowshipped"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why was he "dis-fellowshipped?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By whom was he "dis-fellowshipped?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By God? Does God recognise men's "dis-fellowships?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By Jesus? Does Jesus recognise men's "dis-fellowships?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the brother under discussion was "dis-fellowshipped" (a totally non Biblical terminology) by men, and if those who are "spiritual have restored such a one in the spirit of meekness" (cp Gal 6) surely this should be reason to rejoice, just as the Father in the parable of Luke 15 rejoiced when the prodigal returned home.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting that it is the elder Brother in Luke 15 who refused to come and eat at the Father's table of Grace when he learned that the prodigal was also eating there. And the prodigal was welcome at the Table of the Father (Lord) without the Elder Brother even being consulted or giving his consent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So "Anonymous," by refraining from taking the emblems (at the Fathers Gracious Table at PRWC) when another was present at the same table whom you don't think should be there, who are you identifying with?&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; The elder Brother!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This just highlights one of the major &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(and very important)&lt;/span&gt; differences between (some) modern Christadelphian's teachings and practices and Christ's teachings and practices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, in Matthew 9:10 &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(also in Mark and Lukes records too, so the incident is more than significant; it is vitally important)&lt;/span&gt; we learn that "as Jesus reclined in the house, behold, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;many&lt;/span&gt; tax-collectors and sinners came and were reclining with Him and His disciples. And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, Why does your master eat with tax-collectors and sinners?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is exactly the same question as asked by some Christadelphians today! Different time and place - but the core issues are identical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Why do you eat (fellowship) with those whom we have dis-fellowshipped?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The terms 'tax-collectors and sinners' were the appellations given to those "dis-fellowshipped" or "cast out" by the religious leaders of the day. Obviously Jesus did not have a problem having fellowship with those who had been "dis-fellowshipped" by the religious elite of His day. Remember, mealtimes in Israel were the equivalent of our modern "Breaking of Bread"... in those days you judged others by whom they had meals with. And Jesus says of this practice of having meals with "outcasts... "Do this in remembrance of me" (1 Cor 11). So "Anonymous", would you agree, to obey Jesus we must do what Jesus did?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As Jesus said in another teaching parable of His... "Go, and do likewise!"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;To do other that what Jesus clearly taught us to do, as is the "main stream Christadelphian teaching" according to our "Anonymous" friend, is to actually &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;disobey&lt;/span&gt; the Commandments of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only did Jesus eat with those the Pharisees &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(the Elder Brother group)&lt;/span&gt; called "sinners" &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(incidently, Jesus never used that term Himself to describe others - anytime He does use the term "sinners"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; it is only when He is quoting the Pharisees back to themselves or to describe them!!)&lt;/span&gt;, He reclined with them too. This was more than just "a sip of wine and sliver of bread just before Midday on Sunday"- this was a full on, relaxed fellowship meal. True fellowship was being had at every level in each these Gospel records and on every occasion where Jesus "Broke Bread"- not just at a superficial "Spiritually Elite," "in the club" level.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting that the Gospel writers are careful to tell us that the Pharisees did not dare question Jesus about His Table Manners. But they were bold to talk to the disciples on the side, in an effort to drive a wedge in between them and Jesus Himself. After all, Jesus was totally defying &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;their&lt;/span&gt; long established culture and traditions and teaching His Disciples to do exactly the same.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was fully aware of what motivated the Spiritual Snobs of His day, and He said in  Matthew 11 "But to what shall I compare to this generation? It is like little children sitting in the markets and calling to their playmates, saying, We played the flute to you, and you did not dance! We mourned to you, but you did not wail!" &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;[In other words, the Religious Leaders in Israel were dismayed that Jesus would not dance to their tune. Jesus refused to abide by any of the socially and religiously acceptable conventions and traditions which would Spiritually Abuse any who the Father had called.  &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;And this man is the one we are to copy in every way&lt;/span&gt;. That is what True Worship really is: imitating in every way the one who is the Boss! It has been truly said, that we become just like the God we worship.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus continued:  "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He has a demon." &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;[Have you ever noticed that Jesus NEVER corrected any of their false ideas about devils, demons and supernatural forces. He even stood up in their synagogues, using their platforms where they preached such false teachings, and never once took them to task or enlightened the audience about their misbeliefs in this area. Paul and the other Apostles did exactly the same, for the Kingdom message is about how you &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;show God in action&lt;/span&gt; to your fellow &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;by your actions,&lt;/span&gt; not by convincing your fellow of what &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;you do not&lt;/span&gt; believe!]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The observations of the Spiritual Leaders in Jesus' day was that "the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they said, Behold a man who is a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax-collectors and sinners. But wisdom was justified by her children."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This man is more than our Redeemer and Saviour! He is the very pattern upon which we are to model our own lives. As He said, "wisdom is vindicated by the results" - and the massive results of Jesus' pattern for living, is that any one of us has been included by Grace within His "Forever" family. And to act petulantly and to refuse to take the very emblems of His life and power and mission and victory because someone else &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;[who you might not agree with in some way]&lt;/span&gt; may also be present at the same table, is to snub the Lord of Heaven, slap Him in the face, and deny the very power that drew you and the "other" to that Table in the first instance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus whole life is one that denied "Guilt by Association" in any form &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;for Holiness is far more powerful than sin any day.&lt;/span&gt; To act otherwise at His Table, (or at any time really, for worship is a 24/7 deal - not just a Sunday thing) is to "eat and drink condemnation to oneself," says Paul. (cp 1 Cor 11).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We declare, as we take Jesus into our lives, "Jesus, you are indeed the pattern for my life, so I eat this Bread (your Body Lord) and drink this wine (your life blood Lord) and it becomes an essential part of every living cell in my body - I am fully energised by you!!!" To then act towards others differently to the way Jesus taught, nay, commanded us to act, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;is to deny the very Lord who died for us all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus not only ate meals (had full on Fellowship) with those who had been cast out ("dis-fellowshipped"), He went out of His way (John 6:37; John 9) to have or renew fellowship with them, despite the written and oral traditions of His day. It cost Him His life in the end.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that has ever been the pattern of the "Elder Brother" of the parable in Luke 15 to refuse to share the great love of Him who died for all, and to use "dis-fellowship" as a control mechanism to maintain religious control, (cp 3 John v9-11). Dis-Fellowship is the "iron fist enclosed in a not so velvet glove" (referred to in Matthew 24:49) to quote a much loved Brother who has gone before us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is so sad to see that the Diotrephian spirit still lives on - even in the 21st Century.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whilst this may indeed be seen by some to be "main stream Christadelphian teaching" it is actually diametrically opposed to &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"main stream Christ teaching."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the question is: who should we obey? God/Jesus, or men?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the risk of disobeying (and even disappointing) men, I choose to obey God any day.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2851971119951100627?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2851971119951100627/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2851971119951100627' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2851971119951100627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2851971119951100627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/fellowshipping-out-of-fellowship-person_28.html' title='Fellowshipping an out-of-fellowship person (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8433480458792682964</id><published>2008-06-28T10:54:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-28T13:09:37.476+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authoritarianism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Exclusivism (in fellowship)'/><title type='text'>Fellowshipping an out-of-fellowship person (1)</title><content type='html'>This message arose out of comments on an &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/following-motion-has-been-proposed-for.html"&gt;earlier message&lt;/a&gt; about a proposal being put to the 2008 Australian Christadelphian Conference in Sydney to restrict the start-up of new ecclesias.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An anonymous person left a comment describing how he visited another ecclesia and would not participate in the breaking of bread because of the attendance there of a person who had been 'disfellowshipped' by another ecclesia. He wrote: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"If a Brother has been disfellowshiped and you visit another meeting and he is there then the main stream Christadelphian teaching is not to partake of the emblems which happened on this day."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In earlier posts on 'fellowship' I have discussed the Christadelphian practices related to breaking of bread, so I won't go into that again right now. However, I challenge the notion that "main stream Christadelphian teaching is not to partake of the emblems" if a disfellowshipped person is present. In fact, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt; specifically deals with this issue in  section 42. Here is an excerpt:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"There ought to be no interference                      of one ecclesia with another. At the same time, they have                      reciprocal rights. Ecclesial independence is a principle essential                      to be maintained. But it is no part of that independence to                      say that no ecclesia shall consider a matter that another                      has decided upon, if that matter comes before the first ecclesia,                      and challenges their judgment, and, in fact, requires a decision.                      In the example already discussed, if a brother withdrawn from                      by one ecclesia applies for the fellowship of another, that                      other ecclesia is bound to consider the application, and it                      is no infringement of the independence of the first ecclesia                      that it should be so, subject to the rules and attitudes indicated.                      It would, in fact, be a renunciation of its own independence,                      were it to refuse to do so. Respect for the first ecclesia                      requires that it accept its decision until it sees grounds                      for a different view; and in the investigation of these grounds                      it ought to invite its co-operation, as already indicated.                      But the mere fact of the application imposes upon it the obligation                      to consider and investigate the matter, if there are prima                      facie grounds for doing so. The other ecclesia would make                      a mistake if it considered such a procedure an infringement                      of its independence, Such a view would, in reality, be a trammelling                      of the independence of every assembly; for it would then amount                      to this, that no assembly had the right to judge a case coming                      before them if that case happen to have already been adjudicated                      upon by another ecclesia. The judgment of one would thus be                      set up as a rule for all."&lt;/blockquote&gt;The writer of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt;                    then goes on to say&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"An ecclesia has no right                      to judge except for itself. This is the independence not to                      be interfered with; but a similar right to judge must be conceded                      to all, and the exercise of it, if tempered with a respectful                      and proper procedure, would never offend an enlightened body                      anywhere."&lt;/blockquote&gt;A little later he deals with "cases where a reasonable doubt exists, and where a second                      ecclesia will come to a different conclusion from the first" and says that                      each ecclesia should exercise their prerogative of independent judgment:                  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"let each abide by its own decision, without interfering with                      each other. The one can fellowship a certain brother, the                      other cannot".&lt;/blockquote&gt; To do otherwise would be "to aggravate the                      misery of a perhaps very trumpery and unworthy affair by refusing                      to recognize each other, because they differ in judgment about                      one person".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Applying this to the situation mentioned, visitors to an ecclesia should recognise the right of that ecclesia to exercise "their prerogative of independent judgment" and to make their own decision about a person who may have been disfellowshipped elsewhere. To refuse to participate in the breaking of bread on such an occasion is not only rude and an affront to ones hosts, it also demonstrates a refusal to recognise the principle of non-interference laid out in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt;. It undermines the principles of mutual respect, autonomy and the prerogative of independent judgment which are "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;mainstream Christadelphian teachings".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a subsequent post I will also publish Cliff's response to the comment which was a reply to his.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8433480458792682964?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8433480458792682964/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8433480458792682964' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8433480458792682964'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8433480458792682964'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/fellowshipping-out-of-fellowship-person.html' title='Fellowshipping an out-of-fellowship person (1)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6635155971532619522</id><published>2008-06-28T10:48:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-28T16:40:36.000+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church'/><title type='text'>House meetings</title><content type='html'>This message arose out of some comments on an &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/pagan-christianity.html"&gt;earlier post&lt;/a&gt; reviewing &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/141431485X/ref=s9subs_c2_img1-rfc_g1-2991_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=03KAEDTT3YCARGQAP418&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;amp;pf_rd_p=278240301&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=507846"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Pagan Christianity?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Frank Viola and George Barna.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The authors of this book provide evidence that the earliest churches probably had a maximum attendance of around 35. That is based primarily on archaeological evidence. We know the first century Christians met in homes, we know the kinds of homes which were often used for such meetings, and we know how big they were. These gatherings were limited in size by the homes in which they met. As the Christian community in any area grew they would start new house-meetings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGXaPUsUhPI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/-lflj7eM1po/s1600-h/Dura+Europos+house-church.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGXaPUsUhPI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/-lflj7eM1po/s320/Dura+Europos+house-church.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5216815700166083826" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;According to the archaeological evidence, it was not until the early third century that Christians had any special buildings. The earliest identifiable Christian meeting place is the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_church"&gt;house-church&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dura-Europos"&gt;Dura Europos&lt;/a&gt; in modern Syria (pictured is the baptistery of the 3rd-century house church at Dura-Europos, now on display in the Yale University Museum, USA. This is the oldest Christian church ever discovered. The baptismal bath is visible. The surviving frescoes of the baptistry room are probably the most ancient Christian paintings.) It was simply a private home remodelled as a Christian gathering place around AD 232. This house was essentially a house with a wall removed between two bedrooms to create a large living area. This house could accommodate about 70 people (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Pagan Christianity?&lt;/span&gt; page 14-15).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGXbnenKdrI/AAAAAAAAAEY/2dQL1tS0p7A/s1600-h/dura_church_diagram.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGXbnenKdrI/AAAAAAAAAEY/2dQL1tS0p7A/s320/dura_church_diagram.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5216817214657296050" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I don't think Viola and Barna are suggesting that our practice of meeting in special buildings is necessarily "wrong". They are simply saying that we cannot claim to be continuing or restoring a first century Christian practice if we do. The very nature of meeting in halls or special church-buildings affects the kind of meetings we have, and meetings in halls or special buildings have a remarkably different character to meetings held in homes around a meal table.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my view, much of the intimacy of the early church/ekklesia was probably lost in the shift from homes to special buildings. Certainly the informality, spontaneity and full participation would have been lost as the church went to structured formal services.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6635155971532619522?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6635155971532619522/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6635155971532619522' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6635155971532619522'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6635155971532619522'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/house-meetings.html' title='House meetings'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGXaPUsUhPI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/-lflj7eM1po/s72-c/Dura+Europos+house-church.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8759152589644815827</id><published>2008-06-25T19:41:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-26T10:33:34.828+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church'/><title type='text'>Pagan Christianity</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGITpz2sLGI/AAAAAAAAAEA/mFqH1fXzqfs/s1600-h/Pagan+Christianity.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGITpz2sLGI/AAAAAAAAAEA/mFqH1fXzqfs/s320/Pagan+Christianity.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5215752927463615586" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Book Review&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Pagan Christianity? Exploring the Roots of our Church Practices&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;by Frank Viola and George Barna&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speak of the paganisation of Christianity to most Christadelphians and their minds are almost certain to go to Easter and Christmas and the claims that they have pagan origins. Some might even be quick to point out that ecclesiastical vestments, adoration of saints, feast days and other elements of Catholic and Orthodox Christianity also have their roots in paganism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This book however provides  startling evidence that most of what Christians do in present-day churches is not rooted in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles. Christadelphians will almost certainly be shocked to discover that many of their regular practices had their origins well after the first century. What they cherish as a return to first century Christianity is in fact the accumulation of traditions which have little or nothing to do with apostolic practices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The authors provide ample evidence that first century Christians met in homes and shared a common meal together. Their meetings were informal and everyone actively participated. Formal structured meetings, buildings specifically for church/ecclesial meetings, a 'sermon' or 'exhortation', even sitting in rows of chairs which all face the front where the 'action' takes place on the 'platform', are all practices which developed much later in Christian history. In fact, the shift from house-based informal meetings around a meal to formal meetings in a special building with a structured 'order of service' took place after the Council of Nicea. Ironically, the same church council which gave us the doctrine of the Trinity also gave us the framework for the modern Christadelphian memorial meeting!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many ecclesial practices which Christadelphians assume are a 'restoration of first century Christianity' actually have little or no basis in Scripture. The authors of this book provide numerous examples of traditions and practices which originated much later, including the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- the earliest believers were baptised immediately after conversion. The practice of 'preparing' people for baptism by teaching them the 'doctrines of the church' began much later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- the 'sermon' or exhortation is a relatively modern invention. We learn from 1 Corinthians that when the early church came together "everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation ... for the strengthening of the church" (1 Corinthians 14:26). The practice of only one person (always a man) addressing the church/ekklesia began well after the development of a professional clergy and largely as a result of doctrinal conflict (so that the priest/bishop/pastor could indoctrinate the church in orthodoxy, or 'correct doctrine').&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- the practice of passing out the 'emblems' as tiny glasses of wine and a morsel of bread began with English Methodism. The earliest church celebrated 'communion' as a full meal, of which bread and wine was only a part. Everyone participated, including unbaptised children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- 'dressing up' for church/meetings is a Victorian tradition. For centuries Christians wore their everyday clothes to church. There is absolutely no Scriptural basis for the practice of wearing ones 'Sunday best'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- appointing or electing some brethren to leadership or management positions has no Biblical basis. The first Christians recognised people's gifts and acknowledged mature Christians as 'elders', but no one was given any special authority to 'rule' or 'manage' the church/ekklesia.  Christadelphian 'Arranging/Managing Brethren' are simply a variation of the pagan practices which produced a professional 'clergy'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I recommend this book to anyone who is serious about examining the practices of the first century Christians. You will certainly find it challenging in places. You may still wish to hold on to cherished traditions, but will have to confess that they are just that - &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;traditions &lt;/span&gt;- and have no Biblical basis. I doubt very much that after reading this book anyone will continue to claim that Christadelphian meetings and structures are a 'restoration of first century Christianity'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this book is not primarily about tearing down cherished traditions. It provides valuable insights into the beliefs and practices of the first communities of Christians and is a useful resource for anyone wanting to know what church/ekklesia meant to the earliest disciples. It encourages a return to the simplicity of New Testament Christianity and to a fully functioning body in which all believers play an active role.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8759152589644815827?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8759152589644815827/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8759152589644815827' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8759152589644815827'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8759152589644815827'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/pagan-christianity.html' title='Pagan Christianity'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/SGITpz2sLGI/AAAAAAAAAEA/mFqH1fXzqfs/s72-c/Pagan+Christianity.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5212655539103022360</id><published>2008-06-23T10:17:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-23T18:18:27.348+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authoritarianism'/><title type='text'>Permission needed to start a new ecclesia</title><content type='html'>The following motion has been proposed for the Sydney Christadelphian Conference 2008:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Proposed Motion # 5:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;'That the Australian Christadelphian brotherhood adopts a practice that, prior to the formation of any new ecclesia, a representative of the proposed ecclesia contact the Central Fellowship ecclesias in their local area, for recognition as a bona fide ecclesia meeting on the Australian Unity Basis of Fellowship.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Moved&lt;/span&gt; by South Brisbane&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Seconded &lt;/span&gt;t.b.a.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Rationale&lt;/span&gt;, as provided by South Brisbane&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Objective&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;To provide a framework for effectively assessing the bona fides of all new ecclesias seeking fellowship on the Australian Unity Basis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Procedures&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;1 All new ecclesias wishing to be recognised as a Christadelphian ecclesia meeting on the Australian Unity Basis should write to the recorders of established ecclesias in the local area of the proposed new ecclesia, stating they meet on the Australian Unity Basis of Fellowship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 The proposed ecclesia's location will determine the number of established ecclesias to receive such a letter, but it is suggested a minimum of five ecclesias should be approached for recognition as a bona fide Christadelphian Ecclesia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3 Ecclesias receiving such notice should consult one another, after determining their own position, and if no objection is communicated to the proposed ecclesia's representative within one month, the request should be accepted and the new ecclesia notified in writing by the local ecclesias involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4 If any objections are raised by the local established ecclesiae, discussions should take place in order to resolve the perceived impediments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5 A reasonable time should be allowed for resolution of the difficulties on the basis of the Ecclesial Guide and the Unity Booklet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This motion raises a number of interesting matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, we need to question the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;intention &lt;/span&gt;of the motion. Never in the past has a new Christadelphian ecclesia in Australia (or anywhere else in the world as far as I am aware) needed to obtain the consent of other ecclesias in the area. So why now? What is the reason for changing the practice of more than 140 years? Is this motion designed to restrict new ecclesias starting up or to control the activities of new ecclesias? If so, why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, the motion appears to be totally impractical. Let's take one Australian city as a hypothetical example. Newcastle currently has three Christadelphian ecclesias: Newcastle, Charlestown and Boolaroo.  The last time I spoke at Charlestown ecclesia I was asked to sit on the platform for the entire meeting as the hall was literally filled to capacity and there were no spare seats in the congregation. This is a good sign of a healthy ecclesia, and because there is "standing room only" the ecclesia is considering extensions to their meeting place. However, another option they might consider is starting a new ecclesia as an 'offshoot'. Under this proposed motion they would need the consent of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;at least&lt;/span&gt; five ecclesias in the area. But there are only &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;three &lt;/span&gt;ecclesias in the area! Under this proposed new rule they would have to look further afield to other cities for approval to start a satellite ecclesia. Charlestown is a well-established ecclesia with a solid reputation and was an original signatory to the Australian Unity Agreement. To suggest that they can't start a satellite ecclesia without the permission of other ecclesias is not only insulting to them, it raises the question as to what authority the other ecclesias might have which Charlestown lacks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, this motion smells of fear, a controlling spirit, and authoritarianism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are some ecclesias &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;afraid &lt;/span&gt;that new ecclesias might operate differently, and do they find this threatening? There was a recent example (in Brisbane) of an ecclesia sending out an appeal for people to move into their area and join them because they were declining so sharply in numbers that they were at risk of dying out. At the same time this same ecclesia was a party to a move to restrict the activities of a new ecclesia which was bursting at the seams and which was growing numerically almost week-by-week. Are they afraid that as they die out their remaining members will transfer to the new dynamic meeting? What do they find so threatening about this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It smells of a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;controlling spirit&lt;/span&gt; because new ecclesias sometimes do things a bit differently from the older ecclesias in the area, and some traditionalists don't like this. Instead of an organ they might decide to use guitars and drums (God forbid!). Instead of 17th century hymns they might want to sing contemporary music! They might even drop "thees" and "thous" and Elizabethan English and pray to the Almighty in contemporary English!! Where will this lead? It must be stopped!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It smacks of &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;authoritarianism &lt;/span&gt;because it suggests that a 'group' of ecclesias should be empowered to control the activities of other ecclesias in the area. There is already at least one case in Australia of a 'group' of ecclesias in an area banding together while excluding other ecclesias in the area which might see some things differently, and then attempting to impose their collective will on the excluded ecclesias (and it's significant that this proposed motion comes from one of the ecclesias which is a party to this 'group'). This motion, if adopted, would give more power to these 'groups' which Robert Roberts condemned as"collective despotism":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ecclesial independence should be guarded with great jealousy with the qualifications indicated in the foregoing sections. To form "unions" or "societies" of ecclesias, in which delegates should frame laws for the individual ecclesias, would be to lay the foundation of a collective despotism which would interfere with the free growth and the true objects of ecclesial life. Such collective machineries create fictitious importances, which tend to suffocate the truth. All ecclesiastical history illustrates this. (Clause 44 of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would hope that the majority of ecclesias represented at the 2008 Conference will see this proposed motion for what it is and soundly reject it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5212655539103022360?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5212655539103022360/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5212655539103022360' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5212655539103022360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5212655539103022360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/following-motion-has-been-proposed-for.html' title='Permission needed to start a new ecclesia'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-668600138665085770</id><published>2008-06-02T21:57:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-02T22:20:10.618+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Exclusivism (in fellowship)'/><title type='text'>Exclusiveness in fellowship</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Following on from my latest post, I recently received this message from a sister who has been through a painful experience. She has discovered that she is welcome to join a particular Christadelphian ecclesia but if she does the ecclesia will demand that she can no longer break bread with the people who taught her the Gospel and who baptised her, even though they believe the same things as she does! This attitude adopted by some Christadelphians to 'fellowship' is simply crazy, but the following letter from Lucy demonstrates this plainly enough. The names of the ecclesias and individuals involved have been deleted.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My dear beloved brothers and sisters!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Thursday May 15th, I met with two members of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;XYZ &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia, who were sent to identify if my beliefs met with their standards. After two and a half hours of conversation, I was invited to their service, which I gladly accepted and attended May 18th. I was very pleased by the way I was welcomed, almost like well known sister, who you haven’t seen in a while. We studied the Word of God, and broke bread together. I was a very satisfied and happy by my visit, and that is what I, have expressed in my e-mail. On May 20th, I attended an invitation for dinner and Bible study. Every one called me their sister, and again I felt welcomed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Monday May 26th I was very surprised when I received a phone call, from a board member informing me of a meeting that was to take place with me to become a member of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;XYZ &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia. What was surprising is that I have attended several meetings where we broke bread and as to my awareness I assumed that I was already welcomed as a sister in Christ. I was born in former Soviet Union, a Communist regime, where you were called in for a meeting when you were suspected of being an enemy to society and will be immediately sent to Siberia or if you prefer to retain your privileges you were to submit too and join the Communist party. Anyways I felt stressed, wondering why this meeting has been scheduled, and if I have done something wrong?&lt;br /&gt;On Thursday May 29th, I attended the meeting where I was informed of whom I can, and can’t break bread with. I can honestly tell you that I fell in love with every brother and sister I met in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;XYZ &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia however I could not understand the reasoning of this practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyways, I was given “The Ecclesia Guide” to check if we have same beliefs, which we did prior to this meeting. I was also given an address list of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;W &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia with whom I am allowed to “Break Bread” with and was told I must have an answer by Sunday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, they did tell me that I am allowed to be in fellowship with everyone except, I have to follow the rules with whom I can “Break Bread”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last night, I couldn’t go to sleep at all, thinking what had happened earlier this evening! I looked into the Bible and I could not find a law stating with whom we can or can’t break bread with in Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I found, that Jesus Christ broke bread with 3000 and 5000 people and did not ask them if they even believed He was Messiah. And that at the Last Supper when He was giving instructions about "Breaking Bread" to every disciple HE actually broke bread with Judah Iscariot who betrayed Him several hours later.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I looked at "The Ecclesial Guide and Constitution of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ABC &lt;/span&gt;Christadelphians," and I read about all their beliefs, which are exactly like mine. But again, I did not see anything saying about with whom I am allowed to break bread. Except, in the section of "The commandments of Christ” number 12 says – “Grudge not; judge not; complain not; condemn not,” (James 5:9, Matt 7:1). And by choosing with whom we break bread with, we are JUDGING our brothers and sisters; we are breaking our own law.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is very sad to know that we have become similar to the Pharisees, who have two laws; one is written and one is oral.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Matt 23 says, "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3. So you must obey Moses and do everything he tells you. But do not do what they (Pharisees) do, for &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they do not practice what they preach&lt;/span&gt;. 4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. 13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in Deut.6:4 Yahweh said to Moses "1 Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. 8. And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have come to the conclusion that by choosing brothers and sisters whom you can or can’t “Break bread” with and who’s beliefs are exactly the same like yours and mine, has become an “obsessive tradition” or “religious idolatry”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not willing to follow MAN'S rules, when I will be present on judgment day facing God, I want to no shame and excuses on this subject. One day all, of us will be there. Please remember that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do not judge anyone, I am speaking truth saying do not follow MAN’s rule, it is against God. I have no problem breaking bread with anyone in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;XYZ &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia or any of my brothers and sisters around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love Yahweh, and I want to walk in His Will and no one MAN’s law or rules could stop me. It is sad, but I am coming to the conclusion that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;XYZ &lt;/span&gt;Ecclesia don't want to break bread with me unless I agree not to break bread with my brothers and sisters like **, ***, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;T &lt;/span&gt;ecclesia . I won't agree to such man made rule.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I still love all my brothers and sisters in Christadelphians Ecclesia around world. My prayers are with them. I'm happy many of them accept me still. May Yahweh open their hearts and their minds to see The Truth, as they preach; and ignore MAN'S LAW or ANY RULES.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will continue to do what I was called to do, which is Preach the Gospel&lt;http: net=""&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yahweh blesses you!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sister Lucy&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/http:&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-668600138665085770?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/668600138665085770/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=668600138665085770' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/668600138665085770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/668600138665085770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/exclusiveness-in-fellowship.html' title='Exclusiveness in fellowship'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2675567097615989181</id><published>2008-06-02T09:21:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-06-02T22:20:10.619+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Exclusivism (in fellowship)'/><title type='text'>Censorship, disfellowship and statements of faith</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;The following message was recently posted on the &lt;a href="http://groups.msn.com/truthalive"&gt;Truth Alive&lt;/a&gt; forum. I thought it expressed very well what a lot of other people are also thinking. With the author's permission I am re-posting it here in full.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dear friends,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Very often we can go through a set of traditions whilst making bold statements that suggest we alone hold the correct Biblical truths and that we follow the Bible and that we should check everything against the Bible. But when someone sincerely does do that and comes up with difficult questions it isn't liked and people don't want to answer them, because it's disruptive and challenging. But should churches be allowed to say 'we follow the Bible and you should check it out to see whether its true' and not allow people to do that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brother Dr John Thomas believed “no you shouldn't”, and people found him very disruptive and challenging and that is the history of the Christadelphian body. If you doubt that read his autobiography and the huge number of debates he was involved in. The problem has been the questions never ended where Dr John Thomas left off and no doubt had he lived longer he would have challenged more and come to different understandings. In his lifetime he changed many times and in fact was baptised three times as he changed views.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Robert Roberts believed that in his teachings he had reached a finality of truth and that was set in place and maintained by establishing the Birmgham Statement of Faith, which was later Amended to clarify things to what people believed reflected the original position of things. In other words the Christadelphian body has sought to censor the very freedom to think and question that Dr John Thomas wanted for himself. In fact that has always been the historical problem that Protestant Christianity has faced. By putting the authority onto a book and individual interpretation it has been inevitable that different people have balanced it a different way. I'm not saying we should be Catholic, but what I am saying is that we should learn from our history of our own non infallibility in these matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reality is that the Christadelphian body has survived in its present form is as a direct result of the Statements of Faith, because they have broadly set out the original distinct Christadelphian doctrines. The idea that we are bound simply because we read the Bible independently for ourselves is not true, even though that is what I was given to believe as a youngster and told to do. In essence I was expected to read the Bible for myself, but come to see things in terms of tradition and expectation. That is in all honesty how social conditioning works and with time we may find things don't quite square with what we are told to believe or how things are actually done in comparison to what we read, the second being where my main objections have laid. It has kept the Christadelphian body in a time warp in many ways where any change to the way things are done leads to people feeling the balance is going to be upset.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hidden cost of course has been in those people who have been disfellowshipped for asking too many questions and hidden feelings of suppression, because the unspoken rule is that you are not allowed to seriously question the way things are done. The problem that has led to is that the Christadelphian body has become very legalistic and very word bound and very much what scripture would term 'in the letter'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However the Christadelphian body has changed and is changing., there is a greater understanding growing of the need for grace, the centrality of the teachings of Christ, the need for a more practical focus and a recognistion in the Care Groups that there are emotional situations that need to be understand. Our problem as a community and what we show is the limitation of the Bible alone without a recognition of the need for the Spirit of God. But we won't accept that, because if we did we would have to admit that our exclusivity was a problem, that you can't get to the right spirit merely by academic debate and that we have in fact treated a lot of people badly and that disfellowshipping lots of people wasn't the right way to go about things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In its present form the Christadelphian body will not survive and already is dying and it's not merely because people don't want to follow God, although as we all know most people don't in the West. It's because it doesn't really answer people's spiritual longing for a real connection with God. It's too academic an approach, it's too emotionally disconnected and there's too little power. It's also led to a situation where most of the children of Christadelphians do not get baptised and very often there are a lot of people hanging in there simply because that is where they have their social connections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's a religion which very often creates beliefs in people, but not faith and the two things are very different. You can sustain belief in people by keeping reinforcing the same things over and over again like a kind of social reinforcement schedule and that's why many people believe if you don't go to some church you would lose your faith. That's because their faith hangs on going through a set pattern of behaviour, whereas faith is a lot more solid and a lot harder to destroy. It comes from a knowledge of God, not just a knowledge of the Bible. The difference is one has power, the other does not. We read in Hebrews 11 and its frequently quoted that 'faith is the the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'. What is less frequently quoted is the later things in the chapter which people were able to do as a result of faith and how this is set out as the normal expected standard of the Christian walk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Christadelphian movement started from a very radical questioning of mainstream Christianity based upon textproof quoting and reached a level of complexity beyond many average men and women. To do that you need educated, well read people with high rational skills and it is very questionable that that was the first century approach anyway. For that to be universally available required the invention of printing, considerable time, health and nutrition that was not available for most of history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Few people have ever had that kind of access to the Bible and they were more reliant upon pictures and communicated stories and what they understood in their own hearts. There are benefits to that though I am thankful for the scripture knowledge I have gained as a result, but it can be rather a one tracked thinking method that denies the role of experience or emotion. It therefore leads to our community suiting certain personality types and ways of thoughts and being very hard for other types of personality and ways of thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The experience that we have as a community has relevance, but to think we have all the truth and all the understanding is a very limited way of thinking in my opinion. That of course is why at every stage all the developments within the community have been fights to change a mindset. The perception that is held is that we come to the Bible without a mindset, without a conditioning, without any effect from our upbringing and social environments, when in fact there is a strong mindset at play within the community that does not allow certain thoughts to be held or raised. You see that when a difficult passage is read and people muse over its difficultness whilst saying 'of course we don't believe in this or that'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For truly open minded thinking to occur we do have to consider the possible truth of these thoughts and the thoughts have to be allowed to be raised without the possibility of censure. To truly allow God to speak to us we have to not be frightened of whether other people think us heretical or not. That's what a full pursuit of truth is really like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not suggesting a perfect church exists, because it does not. We are works in progress. What I am saying is that we need to give people freedom to grow without fear of censure and we have to start realising what effect our conditioning and environment and history have upon us. I'm not perfect any more than you are, but dis-fellowshipping people is judging people and it is a way of stifling questions and progress and understanding. If we have the truth, if you think about it, it should be fairly easy to answer people's objections without needing to do that. We should have no fear of asking ourselves how much of our responses are thought out ones rather than conditioned ones.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think there is a factor we need to be aware of - the fear that if we change our beliefs we somehow face losing our salvation. That's a very thought limiting idea. We have to realise instead that God isn't a God who seeks to frustrate the seeking heart and it is for this reason that grace is such an empowering truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would welcome your thoughts on these ideas and maybe if we did we could come to a greater understanding even if it isn't possible for me to be formally accepted back into fellowship..&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With much love and blessings in Jesus,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tim.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2675567097615989181?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2675567097615989181/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2675567097615989181' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2675567097615989181'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2675567097615989181'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/06/censorship-disfellowship-and-statements.html' title='Censorship, disfellowship and statements of faith'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1132559682491921389</id><published>2008-05-23T09:01:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-05-23T09:06:15.261+10:00</updated><title type='text'>ANYWAY</title><content type='html'>People are unreasonable, illogical, and  self-centered.&lt;br /&gt;Love them anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are kind, people may accuse you  of selfish ulterior motives.&lt;br /&gt;Be kind anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are successful, you will win  some false friends and true enemies.&lt;br /&gt;Succeed anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The good you do today will be forgotten  tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;Be good anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Honesty and frankness will make you  vulnerable.&lt;br /&gt;Be honest and frank anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What you spend years building may be  destroyed overnight.&lt;br /&gt;Build anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People need help but will attack you if  you help them.&lt;br /&gt;Help them anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the final analysis, it is between  you and God.&lt;br /&gt;It was never between you and them anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-size:85%;" &gt;Kent Keith, made famous by Mother  Teresa*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;*Kent Keith originated this poem in  1968, and Mother Teresa placed it on her children's home in Calcutta in a  slightly different version. As a result, many have attributed it to Mother  Teresa.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1132559682491921389?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1132559682491921389/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1132559682491921389' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1132559682491921389'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1132559682491921389'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/05/anyway.html' title='ANYWAY'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4129546169214091770</id><published>2008-05-21T07:33:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-05-21T07:35:52.324+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Women&apos;s roles'/><title type='text'>What do you do?</title><content type='html'>My apologies for not posting anything for a few weeks, but I have been incredibly busy working on some other projects. Hopefully I'll be blogging again soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, here is something interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="ct_text"&gt;Author and preacher Tony Campolo said that when his wife,  Peggy, was at home full time with their children and someone would ask, "And  what is it that you do, my dear?" she would respond, "I am socializing two Homo  sapiens into the dominant values of the Judeo-Christian tradition in order that  they might be instruments for the transformation of the social order into the  kind of eschatological utopia that God willed from the beginning of creation." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then Peggy would ask the other person, "And what do you do?"  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="ct_smtext"&gt;From &lt;i&gt;John Ortberg and Ruth Haley, &lt;/i&gt;An  Ordinary Day with Jesus &lt;i&gt;(Zondervan, 2001), p. 122&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4129546169214091770?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4129546169214091770/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4129546169214091770' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4129546169214091770'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4129546169214091770'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/05/what-do-you-do.html' title='What do you do?'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4978828204515700622</id><published>2008-05-02T08:05:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-05-02T08:11:08.784+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Post-Christian and Post-Christadelphian</title><content type='html'>A friend recently sent me the following quotation from Christian writer and speaker Charles Swindoll:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"We are living in what many have described as the Post Christian  Era. That does not mean that there are no longer many Christians around. There  may, in fact, be more true believers today than ever before. "Post Christian"  simply means that the Christian Faith no longer plays a role in shaping public  opinion and policy. Christian assumptions and commitments, once widely held, no  longer have the presence and impact they once had".&lt;/blockquote&gt;My friend then added this comment of his own:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Translated, this would mean that "Post Christadelphian" describes those  who no longer find that the traditional Christadelphian worldview satisfactorily  plays a role in shaping their opinions and "policies." Christadelphian  assumptions and commitments, once widely held, no longer have the presence and  impact they once had. This does not mean that a "Post Christadelphian" is no  longer a "Christadelphian." In reality, many Christadelphians today are readily  admitting that they no longer feel that the traditional way of living a  "Christadelphian" life, within a traditional Christadelphian "framework" equips  them with the necessary "tools" to co-exist in a "Post Christian"  society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I thought this was a valuable insight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4978828204515700622?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4978828204515700622/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4978828204515700622' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4978828204515700622'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4978828204515700622'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/05/post-christian-and-post-christadelphian.html' title='Post-Christian and Post-Christadelphian'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2169615586249628125</id><published>2008-04-22T10:17:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-22T10:19:36.741+10:00</updated><title type='text'>A response to "Gossip: a case study"</title><content type='html'>I received a funny  anonymous comment to my earlier post on this subject. It said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"You speak and act like someone who is not a member  of the Christadelphian Community, so is it any wonder that people make up these  stories? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I found really funny was the Freudian slip:  &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"... is it any wonder that people &lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;make up&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt; these  stories?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, that's what I've been suggesting: most of the  gossip and rumours are &lt;b&gt;made-up stories&lt;/b&gt; without a measure of truth  in them. So why do people prefer the made-up stories in preference to the facts?  I think the Bible has something to say about people with "itching ears" who  prefer stories to the truth.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2169615586249628125?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2169615586249628125/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2169615586249628125' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2169615586249628125'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2169615586249628125'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/response-to-gossip-case-study.html' title='A response to &quot;Gossip: a case study&quot;'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4587981844000585563</id><published>2008-04-20T08:26:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-20T09:26:37.343+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Gossip: a case study</title><content type='html'>In a &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/challenges-facing-christadelphians-2.html"&gt;recent message&lt;/a&gt; I wrote about the dangers of gossip and the way the internet has enabled gossip to travel faster and further than before and to be more easily 'manipulated'. In this message I want to give an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;actual example&lt;/span&gt; of how this can happen in the Christadelphian community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some time ago I became aware of an allegation that I had "withdrawn fellowship" from Christadelphians. Anyone who has read any of my messages on this blog about "withdrawing fellowship" or who knows me personally would know that the allegation is clearly nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I came across a "quotation" on a website which claimed to be something I had written. It was allegedly from a letter I had written when "withdrawing fellowship" from Christadelphians. I contacted its author (let's call him 'Ken'). I asked him to remove the statement as it was untrue. He refused, on the basis that he had received the information from "a reliable source" and it was claimed that the quotation was "unedited" and was my "own words".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried to track the untrue rumour to its source. This is what I uncovered. (By the way, I have changed the names of the people involved to hide their identities.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. 'Ken' obtained his information from 'Kathy', a "reliable source" of information and someone he obviously trusted. He has never personally seen the letter from which he quoted although he insisted that the quotation he put on a website was "unedited". Even though he had never even seen the entire 'letter' or seen the "quotation" in its context he was still confident that he knew what it meant. Even though I was allegedly the author of the unseen document he wouldn't believe anything I had to say about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. I contacted 'Kathy'. She told me that she had seen a letter I had written to an ecclesia saying that I had 'withdrawn' from Christadelphians, and that this had come from a sister we both know ('Betty'). I immediately contacted Betty. She told me that she had never discussed the matter with Kathy, and had no knowledge of such a letter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. When I confronted Kathy with this information she changed her story. She said that she didn't get it 'directly' from Betty but from 'some brethren' to whom Betty had allegedly sent the letter. So that removes Kathy one more step from the alleged 'source' of the story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. After my enquiry Kathy contacted Betty again, wanting to get a copy of the letter she had allegedly sent to some unnamed brethren. Betty told her again that she had never seen the letter, didn't even know if it existed, and could therefore not have shown it or passed it on to anyone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. I told Kathy that I hadn't written a letter to any ecclesia resigning or withdrawing from Christadelphians. Kathy may have checked with the ecclesia who supposedly received this letter (I don't know) but she subsequently changed her story (again) to say that perhaps I hadn't sent  a letter. So now she changed her story to say it may have been a different form of communication (although she really didn't know and had no evidence of any other communication) and perhaps this 'communication' had been sent to someone else and not the ecclesia she claimed. In other words, it was evident that the letter didn't exist, but she still wanted it to be true! From the change in her story it was obvious that she really had no detailed information whatsoever and was simply passing on some gossip she had heard but hadn't checked but wanted to be true (or she may have fabricated the whole thing - a sad and frightening possibility).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. So the story went from me writing a letter (which Kathy claimed to have seen) to a named ecclesia resigning or withdrawing from them and Christadelphians in general, to some other form of communication (but Kathy couldn't say what or how) to someone else (but Kathy didn't know who).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. Instead of having 'first hand' knowledge of this Kathy has now admitted that her information came from 'some brethren' (unnamed) who allegedly received it from Betty, who apparently or allegedly obtained it from someone else (but Kathy is not sure who), even though Betty denies this. That means the information was at least third hand by the time it reached Kathy, and she has no idea where it originated or how many hands it might have passed through before arriving in its final form.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. Despite being presented with this Ken has refused to remove the "quotation" from the website. He still believes that his "unedited" quotation from Kathy was accurate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ken still insists that his  'quotation' is "unedited" and in my "own words" even though he has never actually seen the letter from which it allegedly came, his 'reliable source' of information (Kathy) has never seen the letter either (and now admits it may not exist), she won't say where she got the "quotation", and the person from whom Kathy's unnamed source allegedly obtained it (Betty) has never seen or even heard of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NO ONE has actually seen anything from me on the subject, and no one knows where the 'quotation' originated, or in what form, or in what context, or by whom, or if the source was trustworthy!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet Ken and Kathy obviously don't want the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;facts &lt;/span&gt;to stand in the way of a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;good story&lt;/span&gt;, and so they will keep telling it! Heaven help us.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4587981844000585563?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4587981844000585563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4587981844000585563' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4587981844000585563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4587981844000585563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/gossip-case-study.html' title='Gossip: a case study'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4428295265018265631</id><published>2008-04-14T19:04:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-14T20:03:15.655+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Restoration Fellowship meeting on May 10</title><content type='html'>Those of you in the Brisbane area may be interested in getting along to the next &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Restoration Fellowship&lt;/span&gt; meeting on Saturday May 10 at:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christian Faith Church&lt;br /&gt;12 Thorn St, Ormiston&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will be speaking at 9.30 am on the subject:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth - &lt;/span&gt;Jesus' teaching on the fate of the rejected".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Registration is at 9.00am and the day concludes at 3.00pm&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Click &lt;a href="http://stephencook.teaching.googlepages.com/restorationfellowshipmeetings"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for an information brochure.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4428295265018265631?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4428295265018265631/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4428295265018265631' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4428295265018265631'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4428295265018265631'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/restoration-fellowship-meeting-on-may.html' title='Restoration Fellowship meeting on May 10'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3342707537771477401</id><published>2008-04-14T17:43:00.005+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-14T18:35:56.746+10:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Women&apos;s roles'/><title type='text'>Weak men being bullied off the platform (poll results)</title><content type='html'>Thank you to the 104 people who voted in the poll. I'm not at all surprised that the overwhelming majority (98) voted "no" i.e. they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;haven't&lt;/span&gt; been "bullied off the platform" by women. However, I was surprised that were as many as 5 people who said they had been bullied off the platform, and one who said "maybe". No one who voted "yes" emailed me to tell their story, so we actually have no information at all as to the circumstances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did, however, receive a response from Jonathan Burke, the Christadelphian who triggered this poll by making comments on a Christadelphian forum which was discussing whether Christadelphian women should be permitted to speak at Christadelphian meetings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I quoted two of his comments earlier:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"When you have women actively competing for time on the platform, you're going to end up with conflict. No two ways about it. It's easy to see what happens. Weak men are bullied off the platform, or only permitted to speak when the women permit them to."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Man bullying by women has become an increasingly popular pastime in the churches, and it's unfortunate that it's creeping into the ecclesia."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Jonathan responded with the following clarification (these are just extracts from a longer communication, but I believe the sense is unaltered):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"... you didn't quote any statements from me saying that Christadephian brethren are being bullied off the platform. I said that bullying of men is happening in Christadelphian ecclesias, but I said nothing about Christadelphian brethren being bullied off the platform."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, apparently I made a wrong assumption when I thought a comment about men being "bullied off the platform" in a discussion about whether Christadelphian women should be on Christadelphian platforms was actually about something happening in Christadelphian meetings. Apparently Jonathan was thinking about situations in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;non-&lt;/span&gt;Christadelphian churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I was making a general statement, not confining this to any particular denomination, and not talking about any current situation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So no, I wasn't implying that non-Christadelphian men are on the (Christadelphian), platform. I was saying that when women are actively competing with men for the platform, then you are going to end up with conflict, and when that happens weak men are bullied off the platform or only permitted to speak when the women permit them to. It's a standard, general, conditional statement.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He went on to tell me about his own experience in "a standard evangelical church" which he attended "twice a week, Sunday and Wednesday, for 2-5 hours a time, every week, for over 6 months" in which there was a "power struggle" which resulted in women taking over the church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So to be fair to Jonathan Burke it's important that I clarify that he does NOT believe that Christadelphian men are being bullied off Christadelphian platforms by Christadelphian women. However, from his experience in "a standard evangelical church" (whatever that means) he obviously believes that there is the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;potential &lt;/span&gt;for this to happen in Christadelphian meetings and I guess he's encouraging vigilance against this kind of thing happening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That makes it even more surprising that 5 or 6 people who voted in my poll felt that they had been "bullied off the platform" (assuming that the people who voted were genuinely Christadelphian  men who genuinely felt that they had been bullied off the platform. This is an open site so anyone could have voted). Seeing the question was asking about "weak men" who had been bullied off the platform I am actually even more surprised that anyone would admit to being in that category.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think we can confidently say that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;in reality&lt;/span&gt; there is no evidence of this sort of thing happening in the Christadelphian community (and Jonathan Burke isn't suggesting that there is), and despite the fears of some people that it &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;could &lt;/span&gt;happen down the track there is no indication at this time that it will. Jonathan pointed out that one person who left a comment on my message is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"under the strange impression that sisters are never allowed to speak on or off the platform in the Christadelphian community, whereas you and I both know that's not true and that there are ecclesias in Australia where sisters speak from the platform regularly (the fact that this is uncommon and unrepresentative of our community doesn't change the fact that it happens)."&lt;/blockquote&gt;And not just in Australia.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have removed the poll results from the side panel, so here it is for those people who may have missed it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;If you are a Christadelphian man and a Speaker, have you ever been "bullied off the platform" by a woman?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes:                        5 (4%)&lt;br /&gt;No:                        98 (94%)&lt;br /&gt;Maybe:              1 (&lt;1%)&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3342707537771477401?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3342707537771477401/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3342707537771477401' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3342707537771477401'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3342707537771477401'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/weak-men-being-bullied-off-platform.html' title='Weak men being bullied off the platform (poll results)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8112968107096250167</id><published>2008-04-12T09:58:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-12T10:01:44.785+10:00</updated><title type='text'>How big is the universe?</title><content type='html'>If you missed Cliff's comment on an &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/challenges-facing-christadelphians-2.html"&gt;earlier post&lt;/a&gt; it included a link to a video about the Hubble Deep Field.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's well worth viewing, so here it is again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fgg2tpUVbXQ&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fgg2tpUVbXQ&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8112968107096250167?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8112968107096250167/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8112968107096250167' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8112968107096250167'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8112968107096250167'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-big-is-universe.html' title='How big is the universe?'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8514487804071708368</id><published>2008-04-10T07:43:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-10T20:29:49.636+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Challenges facing Christadelphians (2)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;OBSTACLES TO HEALING AND RESTORATION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the comments on my last post in this thread I wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"If we preach the kingdom without bringing healing and restoration we have only carried out half our mission - in fact, we probably haven't really preached the kingdom at all."&lt;/blockquote&gt;Linda responded beautifully to this by saying:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Maybe that's a sign that the gospel has actually been preached - healing and restoration follows. The opposite would be true too. Where there is no healing and restoration, whatever it is that is being preached, isn't the kingdom."&lt;/blockquote&gt;In this message I'd like to look at some of the obstacles to healing and restoration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus always linked the Gospel of the Kingdom with Kingdom &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;values&lt;/span&gt;. He said that the way people would recognise His disciples would be to observe how they treat each other: "By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;another&lt;/b&gt;" (John 13:35). John developed this idea by saying that if we do not not love it is because we don not really know God: "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love" (1 John 4:7-8). In other words, it doesn't matter how much we know ABOUT God - if we don't love then all our so-called knowledge is useless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Galatians 6:10 Paul advised that "as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;especially &lt;/span&gt;to those who belong to the family of believers [household of faith - KJV]".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we cannot do good to fellow-believers then we will be unable to do anything genuinely good for non-believers. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The New Testament writers repeat this message constantly: we are to love one another, and love deeply&lt;/span&gt; (John 13:34, 35; 15:12, 17; Romans 12:10; 13:8; Galatians 5:13; Ephesians 4;2; 1 Thess 3:12; 4:9; 1 Peter 1:22; 3:8; 1 John 3;11, 23; 4;7, 11, 12; 2 John 5).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Christadelphians cannot treat &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;each other&lt;/span&gt; with love, and be courteous to each other, then there is absolutely no point in trying to love anyone else. And without love there is no point to the Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus' Gospel-message was firmly grounded in the words of Isaiah and the Kingdom values which He taught are spelled out beautifully in His quotation of Isaiah 61:1-2 in the synagogue at Nazareth:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The Spirit of the Lord is on me,&lt;br /&gt; because he has anointed me&lt;br /&gt; to preach good news to the poor.&lt;br /&gt;He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners&lt;br /&gt; and recovery of sight for the blind,&lt;br /&gt;to release the oppressed,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span id="en-NIV-25075" class="sup"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (Luke 4:18-19)&lt;/blockquote&gt;These words encapsulate the prophets' message that one of the hallmarks of the Kingdom Age would be &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;justice &lt;/span&gt;for all (e.g. Isaiah 9:7; Jeremiah 23;5; 31:23). To Jesus that meant justice for the oppressed and those who could not speak up for themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;There is no point in talking about the coming Kingdom if we don't practice Kingdom values in the here and now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that one of the most serious challenges facing the Christadelphian community today is the failure to treat other Christadelphians &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;justly&lt;/span&gt;. There are two main areas of concern where Christadelphians sometimes deny their brothers and sisters justice. Our legal system talks about "natural justice". How much more important  is it then that Kingdom-people live by the principles of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;God's justice&lt;/span&gt; and apply an even &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;higher &lt;/span&gt;standard! Yet even the world's "natural justice" is sometimes denied to Christadelphians by fellow-Christadelphians. The two main areas of concern to me are &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;gossiping&lt;/span&gt;, and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;discussions in secret&lt;/span&gt; (and they are clearly closely related).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some examples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are several Christadelphian internet forums which have  discussion boards open to the public for discussion and debate. At least one also has a 'private' area with restricted access. Some non-Christadelphians are allowed to join the discussions there, while some Christadelphians on the other hand are denied access. Some of the discussions are about the  Christadelphians who are denied access. I recently put this question to one of the members of this "private" forum:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you think it is fair or brotherly to discuss someone behind their back and in a forum where they have no opportunity to answer or defend themself?&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is how he answered:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 16:17-18 comes to mind.  Exposing such within the community of God has always been done and condoned by scripture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here is what Romans 16:17-18 says (in the NIV):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. &lt;span id="en-NIV-28340" class="sup"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In other words, this brother was saying that it's acceptable to "expose" someone if you judge them to be causing divisions or putting obstacles in the way of believers. If you first convince yourself that they are "causing divisions" then it's ok to talk about them on a discussion forum which is open to a large number of people, including non-Christadelphians. You don't have to allow them an opportunity to answer the allegation or to defend themselves.  In a nutshell, they are guilty until proved innocent, and condemned without the opportunity to defend themselves. (See my notes on Romans 16:17 &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/07/wrested-scriptures-2-offences-contrary.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/07/note-on-dichostasia-or-standing-apart.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This kind of behaviour is not only contrary to what the world would consider "natural justice" it is also in violation of clear Scriptural principles. If the practice of Kingdom values &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;begins&lt;/span&gt; with the household of faith, then we should do &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;better &lt;/span&gt;than "natural justice" - we should give brethren the benefit of the doubt, presume innocence, treat them with a greater degree of fairness than the world would demand, and be more forgiving than most people would expect (we should forgive our brethren "seventy times seven" times). Rather than "exposing" weaknesses we should be praising their strengths. Instead of criticising faults we should be boasting about their achievements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no place in the household of faith for "private" forums to discuss brethren behind their backs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In earlier posts (&lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_20.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/07/note-on-dichostasia-or-standing-apart.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) I also raised the problem of groups which meet together specifically to discuss other ecclesias, and exclude these ecclesias from their meetings. These are no different in principle to the private internet forums which are so contrary to the clear teaching of scripture that fellow-brethren in Christ should be treated with respect, courtesy, brotherliness and love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any group, meeting or forum which facilitates gossip, slander and accusations against those for whom Christ died is a festering sore on the body of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gossip is not a new problem. It has always been an issue amongst believers. John identified gossiping as one of the characteristics of the &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2006/12/doctrine-conduct-17-separatists.html"&gt;separatists&lt;/a&gt;. He identified Diotrephes as one of the people in the church who "will have nothing to do with us. So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church"  (3 John 9-10). This 'cluster' of behaviour or characteristics has been common in the history of the brotherhood: refusing to welcome some believers, putting some out of the church ("disfellowshipping") and malicious gossip are all characteristics of the exclusivists or separatists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul listed gossips amongst those who are "filled with every kind of wickedness" (Romans 1:29).  He wrote of "quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder" as being signs of a church breaking down (2 Corinthians 12:20).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The internet has become a modern means of gossiping. Today we can spread news, good or bad, quicker and to more people than was ever possible in the past. I learned of the dangers of the internet quite early on. I received an email from a Christadelphian asking about my views on something or other. I had never met him or even heard of him before but as he was a brother in Christ I assumed he could be trusted. He promised to keep my response "confidential". Within two weeks I was receiving emails from around the world from people who had been forwarded my "confidential" reply.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the main problems with electronic communications is that a small part of an ongoing 'conversation' can be easily extracted, 'cut and pasted' into another document, and then quoted without its context in a way which gives it another meaning entirely. The Bible can be made to say&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "There is no God"&lt;/span&gt; if we 'cut and paste' some text without its context. In the same way I've seen people quoted "verbatim" and made to say something entirely different to what they intended to say within the context of the conversation. I've even seen "verbatim" quotes copied and pasted together with quotes by other writers and made to look like they are all from the same author. For example, I was once sent a document which was allegedly a series of "quotations" claiming to show "what Steve Cook believes, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;in his own words&lt;/span&gt;". Not only were some of the "quotations" taken out of their context and made to mean something quite different to what I intended, they were pasted together with "quotations" from some other anonymous or pseudonymous person which the person creating the document may have assumed was me (but wasn't), or which was simply a fabrication by a mischief-maker.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a recent example of a hefty file on a brother which contained some serious allegations being circulated worldwide. Everyone who was sent a copy of the file were given strict instructions that they were not to show it to the brother being accused! In other words, the brother was not allowed to see the allegations against him, know who made them, or what evidence there was. This is not only a denial of "natural justice" to such an extent that it would not be tolerated "in the world" (where he could have sued for slander, libel and defamation), but was a complete mockery of the high standards of Christ. Whether the allegations were true or not is really irrelevant. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;No one&lt;/span&gt; should be teated so unjustly, least of all one for whom Christ died.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Robert Roberts had this advice on gossip:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The most  effective way to stop the mouths of slanderers is to at once inform the  slanderer that you will see the victim and inform him of what you have just been  told, and who told you. You should believe no report to anyone's detriment  without giving him or her an opportunity (by private enquiry of himself or  herself) of contradicting it if it happens to be untrue. We always esteem such  an application a kindness." (Quoted in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Christadelphian Answers"&lt;/span&gt; by Frank Jannaway, p 233)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Good advice, and if it was taken today by the owners, moderators and conveners of the various private internet forums and secret meetings then they would all be closed down and we would see a greater degree of Kingdom-justice in the Christadelphian community.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8514487804071708368?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8514487804071708368/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8514487804071708368' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8514487804071708368'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8514487804071708368'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/challenges-facing-christadelphians-2.html' title='Challenges facing Christadelphians (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4969025270908888949</id><published>2008-04-08T21:09:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2008-04-08T21:39:40.263+10:00</updated><title type='text'>One Hope</title><content type='html'>I've just been hearing about this year's &lt;a href="http://www.springharvest.org"&gt;Spring Harvest&lt;/a&gt; gathering in the UK. Spring Harvest is the largest Christian conference in Europe, attended by about 45,000 people, and subscribes to The Evangelical Alliance Basis of Faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This year the theme is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;One Hope&lt;/span&gt; - focussing on what it means to have a hope that is 'steadfast and certain' in a society where change is the only certainty. Here is what their website says about this years theme:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;As we unpack the Big Story of God, we'll discover how &lt;strong&gt;HOPE&lt;/strong&gt; is central to the Christian faith. We'll also discover what Jesus being the hope of the world really means. And how embracing Jesus - and the hope he offers - changes how we live and brings new vitality to our faith. Hope is God's big idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that we spend our lives getting more and more scared of stuff. &lt;strong&gt;We get scared of the way the world's going,&lt;/strong&gt; scared of stuff going on in our local community, even scared about some of the things happening in our local church.     &lt;p&gt;The bible says we shouldn't be the scared people of God,&lt;strong&gt; we should be the hopeful people of God. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In fact, we should be the most hopeful people on God's good earth, because we've seen what happens and the end of the world, we've seen what happens at the end of history, and &lt;strong&gt;we know the ending of God's story&lt;/strong&gt; is both happy and hopeful.'&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;The amazing thing about this years teaching, from the reports I've been hearing, is that the emphasis has been on physical resurrection and the coming kingdom of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the teachers are saying that there is no immortal soul, no heaven when we die and no torments in hell. This is absolutely amazing! It's quite likely that Bishop &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Surprised-Hope-Rethinking-Resurrection-Mission/dp/0061551821/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1206673280&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;N.T. (Tom) Wright&lt;/a&gt; has been very influential in encouraging this shift in thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is a very encouraging development and one we should get excited about!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4969025270908888949?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4969025270908888949/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4969025270908888949' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4969025270908888949'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4969025270908888949'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/one-hope.html' title='One Hope'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3899503090076749524</id><published>2008-04-04T19:45:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2008-04-04T19:48:04.124+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Women&apos;s roles'/><title type='text'>Women know your limits</title><content type='html'>I thought this video might be relevant to the ongoing discussion of women's roles in church. It's not directly about church, but I've heard some of these sentiments expressed in a church context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SjxY9rZwNGU&amp;amp;hl=en"&gt;&lt;param name="wmode" value="transparent"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SjxY9rZwNGU&amp;amp;hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" height="355" width="425"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3899503090076749524?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3899503090076749524/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3899503090076749524' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3899503090076749524'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3899503090076749524'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/women-know-your-limits.html' title='Women know your limits'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2019573915600068114</id><published>2008-04-02T21:21:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-04-02T22:18:02.779+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Post-Christadelphians</title><content type='html'>I was recently asked about the difference between an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;ex-&lt;/span&gt;Christadelphian and a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;post&lt;/span&gt;-Christadelphian. I've actually never used the term "post-Christadelphian" on this blog before, although I have used it on the &lt;a href="http://groups.msn.com/truthalive"&gt;Truth Alive&lt;/a&gt; forum. I don't use the term often, but as some people have made a bit of a fuss about it this may be a good time to provide an explanation for those who may be wondering about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back in early 2006 I posted a message on &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Truth Alive&lt;/span&gt; about a series of articles on this blog on the history of Christadelphians and the kind of community people set out to create when they began the &lt;em&gt;Believers Movement &lt;/em&gt;and then later the Christadelphian denomination. I noted that there had been a &lt;em&gt;process of transition &lt;/em&gt;as people moved from one denomination or movement to another, and as the Christadelphian community itself then went through its own transition as it &lt;em&gt;changed direction&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This got me thinking about the transitions many of us have made in our individual lives, perhaps from one denomination to another, from one fellowship to another, or from one "kind" of Christadelphian to another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had recently read a biographical work by Scottish novelist Ian Rankin &lt;em&gt;(&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Rebuss-Scotland-Ian-Rankin/dp/0752877712/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1207130466&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Rebus's Scotland&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/em&gt;At one point he noted that he'd lived large chunks of his life outside Scotland, but thought of himself no less as a Scot. He used the term &lt;em&gt;"Scot by formation"&lt;/em&gt; to describe how the influences at work in his early life had made him a Scot no matter where he lived or for how long he'd lived there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This got me to thinking about how I am a Christadelphian &lt;em&gt;"by formation". &lt;/em&gt;I attended Sunday School from when I was a week old. Went to at least 3 meetings every week well into adulthood. I've lost count of the number of Bible Schools I attended. I read &lt;em&gt;Christendom Astray &lt;/em&gt;when I was 12,  &lt;em&gt;Eureka &lt;/em&gt;when I was about 17, and &lt;em&gt;Elpis Israel &lt;/em&gt;somewhere in between. We did our Bible readings together as a family regularly. All of that had a strong influence on me and played a huge part in my "formation". I was raised in the &lt;em&gt;Logos &lt;/em&gt;fellowship and left to join a Central ecclesia when I was in my early twenties. Years later my wife pointed out to me that I was still &lt;em&gt;thinking &lt;/em&gt;like a Logos-Christadelphian. I wondered if people who are ex-Christadelphians still &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; like Christadelphians. If some people are Christadelphians &lt;em&gt;by formation &lt;/em&gt;then the way they analyse and critique things, even what it means to be an ex-Christadelphian, is undoubtedly done by using &lt;em&gt;thought processes&lt;/em&gt; they learned as Christadelphians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From my recollection the term '&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;post&lt;/span&gt;-Christadelphian' arose during a conversation about some of the changes, developments and 'transitions' that are occurring in the Christadelphian community (and I think someone else in that conversation should actually get the credit for coming up with the term). We were discussing how that for some Christadelphians their spiritual journey may take them  into another denomination, yet they may still hold on to core values and teachings and may 'think' like Christadelphians. By the same token, others may follow a similar spiritual path and remain within the Christadelphian community. The two 'groups' actually have a lot in common. We coined the term 'post-Christadelphian' to describe a person who has chosen to hold on to all that they regard as good in Christadelphianism while jettisoning the baggage which is holding back their spiritual growth, regardless of whether they maintain their membership of a Christadelphian ecclesia or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several Christadelphians who are actively involved in the Christadelphian community and who maintain their membership of ecclesias welcomed the term and said it described how they thought of themselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The term &lt;em&gt;post&lt;/em&gt;-Christadelphian suggests that for some people their involvement in the Christadelphian community has entered a new phase: they continue to be Christadelphians, maintain their commitment to the community, and hold on to the core teachings and values. For others, life beyond or after involvement in the Christadelphian denomination does not erase everything that went before. They endeavour to build on some of the foundations which they learned in their earlier Christadelphian lives, to distil from Christadelphianism some principles, practices and attitudes which are good and useful, and to &lt;em&gt;grow &lt;/em&gt;in grace and knowledge without discarding everything from the past.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally think this is a useful term to describe what these different types of people have in common: a desire to grow while holding onto everything that is good and letting go of things that are obstacles to growth. It reflects the fact that an individual has made a conscious decision to grow rather than to lose their identity as part of a homogeneous  'group'.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since then a Christadelphian in Sydney used an internet forum to spread the word that I had "withdrawn fellowship" from Christadelphians. This was completely untrue and even though I made my position clear to her I understand that she is still circulating this story (together with a lot of other material which is pure fabrication). Just for the record, I am actively involved in the Christadelphian community, I speak at Christadelphian meetings, I am the chairman of a Christadelphian committee, and I give quite a bit of time to a Christadelphian preaching organisation. 'Post' and 'ex' are not the same things.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2019573915600068114?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2019573915600068114/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2019573915600068114' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2019573915600068114'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2019573915600068114'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/04/post-christadelphians.html' title='Post-Christadelphians'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5575651842661492774</id><published>2008-03-30T13:20:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-11-21T09:25:01.512+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='What is the Gospel?'/><title type='text'>Challenges facing Christadelphians (1)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;APPLYING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Sometime in the early 1990s I was asked to speak at a combined study day in Sydney on the subject “Christadelphians - Where are We Headed?” Some of the material used on that occasion subsequently appeared in an Australian magazine &lt;i style=""&gt;Christadelphian Forum&lt;/i&gt; in 1992 - 1993 as a series of articles under the same title. Since then those articles have been reproduced and re-published in various formats, sometimes updated or modified. It's probably time for a complete revision. In the meantime, I have been thinking recently about the main issues which are currently challenging the Christadelphian community and wanted to write a brief series of messages about these challenges as I perceive them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christadelphians have always stressed the importance of getting doctrine right. A common lecture title used to be "Sincerity without Truth cannot save" (and perhaps still is in some circles), and Christadelphian teaching has focused on defining these 'saving truths'. Many Christadelphians would argue that sometimes this emphasis on establishing "the Truth to be believed" is pushed a little too far. For example, ecclesias (and the Christadelphian community in general) have divided over such matters as whether the dead will be raised mortal or immortal, whether the Kingdom will be over the whole earth or only the land of Israel, whether sinlessness is theoretically possible, whether Jesus in the wilderness was tempted by an internal or external tempter, whether the judgment will be at Mt Sinai or Jerusalem, and whether the bread for communion should be leavened or unleavened. All these things have seemed very important at the time to the people involved, yet subsequent generations and others not involved in the immediate conflict often see these questions as trifling differences. They might be interesting to discuss, but certainly not important enough to divide over, or to exclude anyone from fellowship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A question we should ask which helps to put such issues into some kind of perspective is: &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;what practical difference does it make?&lt;/span&gt; Some doctrines are of the type that they affect our whole worldview, or the theological framework within which we think and reason. There is probably no doubt in the mind of any Christadelphian that whether the Kingdom of God will be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;on earth&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt; after the return of Christ or will be enjoyed in heaven immediately after death affects the whole way one thinks about the after-life and the future, and it's therefore important to have consistent teaching on this 'foundation' doctrine. Similarly, whether we think of God as 'one person' or as 'three persons' affects the way we understand God, Jesus Christ and the way of salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With both these doctrines it's relatively easy to understand why they are regarded as 'fundamental' and how they might affect the way we do things. But it's much harder to see what practical difference it would make if we believed the dead are raised mortal or immortal, or whether the Kingdom will be in Israel (with the rest of the earth being 'territories of the kingdom') or over the whole earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps most Christadelphians these days would agree that such theological hair-splitting should not divide the community. I am fairly confident that a sizable majority within the Christadelphian brotherhood wouldn't waste their time arguing such points, let alone dividing over them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet I feel that generations of debating doctrinal fine points for well over a century has left a legacy amongst Christadelphians of thinking in doctrinal and theoretical terms rather than practical ones. Ask any Christadelphian to write a summary of their faith and they will almost certainly begin with a propositional truth: usually some kind of statement about the nature of God, or the inspiration of the Bible. Rarely would someone begin with a statement about what kind of people we should be, or how we should live. I'm not suggesting that it's wrong to begin with a 'propositional truth' - however, I think there is a tendency to think ONLY in these terms and to separate these 'truths' from the practical impact they have on our lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When discussing the Trinity for example I have often asked Christadelphians what practical difference it makes whether someone is a trinitarian or a unitarian. There is usually first a stunned silence, followed by "I don't know" or further questions about why it matters if there is a practical impact or not. What I'm really asking by the question is this: if it makes absolutely no difference to the way we live whether we are trinitarian or unitarian, where do trinitarians and unitarians stand in relation to each other at the Judgment? Imagine two people - one a trinitarian and the other a Christadelphian - who both attend church/meetings regularly, both read their Bibles daily, both pray 'without ceasing', both are generous and charitable, both are honest and ethical, both live according to the commandments, and by their lifestyles they are almost indistinguishable. The only difference between them is that one is trinitarian and the other is a Christadelphian. At the Judgment, do you personally think it is likely that God will accept one and reject the other simply because of this doctrinal difference? I guess Christadelphians would be divided about how they answer that. Let's take it a step further then and imagine that both these people are Christadelphians and the only difference between them is that one believes the dead are raised mortal and the other believes they are raised immortal. Do you think God will accept one and reject the other simply because of how they have understood this matter?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am NOT suggesting that doctrine doesn't matter, and that what we believe about anything is unimportant. However, I AM suggesting that important doctrines should affect our conduct, and that if some thing has no practical affect on the way we live then it's either unimportant or we have failed to understand the practical implications and put them into effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a good example of this which has recently received quite a bit of media attention. N.T. (Tom) Wright, the Bishop of Durham, has recently written a book titled "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Surprised-Hope-Rethinking-Resurrection-Mission/dp/0061551821/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1206673280&amp;amp;sr=8-1"&gt;Surprised by Hope&lt;/a&gt;" which challenges how we &lt;/span&gt; think about heaven, hell, purgatory and eternal life. Christadelphians would agree with him on many of his conclusions about heaven-going and the resurrection.  Wright critiques many of the accepted views of heaven, especially the assumption of the continuance of the soul after death in a sort of blissful non-bodily existence. "This is simply not Christian teaching", Wright insists. The New Testament's clear witness is to the resurrection of the body, not the migration of the soul, and then only when Jesus returns in judgment and glory. (There was an interesting &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA0NLb0pXGI"&gt;interview&lt;/a&gt; with Wright about this on abc news. Also see &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/02/bishop-of-durham-makes-news-on-heaven.html"&gt;my message&lt;/a&gt; about an article in TIME magazine).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But according to Wright Christian teaching of life after death should really be an emphasis on "life after life-after-death". He argues that what we believe about life-after-death should affect the way we live now. Wright wants Christians to focus on how their final destination will affect their lives in the here and now. In other words, if we believe in the restoration of the earth in a future Kingdom of God, then we should live in the light of that belief. He said in the interview: "because I believe in God's Kingdom of justice and peace this gives me the energy and the focus to work for the kingdom of God in the present".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now that is challenging!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In an earlier message I &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/yours-is-kingdom-of-god.html"&gt;quoted&lt;/a&gt; Catholic theologian Albert Nolan who was writing on the same subject and I suggested that the really great part of the quote, in my opinion, is that Nolan has picked up that Jesus did not come simply to say "the Kingdom of God is coming", but rather "the Kingdom of God is coming for the poor, the oppressed, the rejected, the mistreated, the disenfranchised, and those who don't measure-up to the standards imposed by the religious". &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;We need to live in the light of that knowledge&lt;/span&gt; and work today for justice and equity for the poor, the oppressed, the mistreated and those for whom the Kingdom is coming.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus told more than 100 parables or sayings about the Kingdom. Most of these relate to our behaviour, our character, and how we are to live in the world where we find ourselves. Jesus’ main emphasis is on the &lt;i&gt;inner character &lt;/i&gt;that underlies the &lt;i&gt;outward conduct&lt;/i&gt;.  Conduct is an outward sign of character. "The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks" (Luke 6:45). "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit" (Matthew 7:17).  Jesus also told several stories about how our lives now are preparing us for something to come. In the parable of the talents the master said to his good servants "'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'" (Matthew 25:23). In the parable of the sheep and goats the King says to those on his right: "'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'" (Matthew 25:34-36).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The emphasis of these stories, and others like them, is that &lt;b&gt;we are &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;being prepared&lt;/span&gt; for a greater work in the future&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;and our Master is giving us tasks to do today that will build our characters and equip us for the work to be done in the future. The stories which end with some sort of picture of judgment (like these two above) are not so much about being &lt;i&gt;rewarded &lt;/i&gt;for work well done, as much as they are about &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;entering in to the work&lt;/span&gt; for which we are now being fully prepared.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We need to focus on the characteristics needed for 'Kingdom-people' who will "live and reign" with Him. What traits will He be looking for when choosing people to work with Him in the restoration of all things? I imagine that the restoration of our wounded world will need people who are nurturers, healers, builders, and encouragers more than it will need theologians or experts in doctrinal fine points. The tasks we are called to do today are those things that will prepare us for the greater work to be done in the future.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a community of people who believe in the coming Kingdom of God Christadelphians need to focus more on the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;practical impact&lt;/span&gt; of the Gospel, and live today in the light of that Kingdom - not just believing that the Kingdom will come, but in nurturing, healing and encouraging those for whom it is coming and to model the Kingdom-values of justice and equity for all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5575651842661492774?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5575651842661492774/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5575651842661492774' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5575651842661492774'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5575651842661492774'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/challenges-facing-christadelphians-1.html' title='Challenges facing Christadelphians (1)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6797584615764428993</id><published>2008-03-29T12:27:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-29T12:38:44.802+11:00</updated><title type='text'>More on "weak men" being "bullied off the platform"</title><content type='html'>I have received a communication from the person who wrote the original message on a Christadelphian forum which I quoted &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/weak-men-being-bullied-off-platform.html"&gt;earlier&lt;/a&gt; about men being "bullied off the platform". I will wait for this poll to conclude before I share any of his new comments about this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, I am interested in the people who voted "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;yes&lt;/span&gt;" or "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;maybe&lt;/span&gt;" in this poll and would like to learn more about their experiences. I have added a new poll to the sidebar on the right. This poll is ONLY for those people who voted "yes" or "maybe".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd also be keen to hear from them directly with details of their story. If you are one of these people would you please &lt;a href="mailto:christadelphian.blogger@hotmail.com"&gt;email me&lt;/a&gt; IN CONFIDENCE and let me know how you were "bullied off the platform". I will not pass on any of these comments unless I have your permission to do so.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6797584615764428993?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6797584615764428993/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6797584615764428993' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6797584615764428993'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6797584615764428993'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-on-weak-men-being-bullied-off.html' title='More on &quot;weak men&quot; being &quot;bullied off the platform&quot;'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2536197118801700788</id><published>2008-03-22T10:23:00.005+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-22T11:22:09.736+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Jesus suffered</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-RJ-O6I7XI/AAAAAAAAACw/apDHvXA92pU/s1600-h/Christ+on+trial.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-RJ-O6I7XI/AAAAAAAAACw/apDHvXA92pU/s320/Christ+on+trial.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5180346804885581170" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;At this time of the year our minds often go the question "Why did Jesus have to die? Was there no other way for God to save mankind?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The death of Christ is often explained either as a debt being paid - that is, His death paid the price of our sin - or as one innocent person dying in the place of other guilty people who have been condemned to die (that is, as a substitute). These are two different metaphors, but they often get confused and used together in explaining the 'atonement', or how Christ's death brings about our salvation. It's one thing to speak about a 'debt' being forgiven, but to then mix this up with a capital punishment for a criminal offense would be to confuse the metaphors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we stick to the language of debts being paid then Jesus must have paid the debt to someone - if indeed He paid a debt. This is quite different from someone dying as a substitute in place of another for a crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul used a variety of metaphors from the marketplace, the slave trade, the law courts and the Temple, because no one analogy is adequate or complete in itself. No one metaphor was adequate for him, and no metaphor should be pushed too far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, Jesus rarely, perhaps never, spoke of His death as an 'atonement'. The Gospels record only one brief saying which possibly alludes to His death as an atonement - the 'ransom saying' of Mark 10:45 (parallel Matt 20:28), which may, or may not, be a reference to His death. Jesus' references during the last supper to His blood being shed to seal the new covenant is the language of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;covenants&lt;/span&gt;, not &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;atonement&lt;/span&gt;. So it's actually doubtful whether Jesus ever referred to His own death as an atonement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;On the other hand, Jesus spoke frequently of God's forgiveness, His abundant generosity, and His graciousness.&lt;/span&gt; There is nothing in any of His parables, stories or sayings which suggests that a price of any kind had to be paid to secure God's forgiveness. The stories which refer to debts being forgiven all emphasise the undeserved kindness shown by the one forgiving the debt. If any debt was owed by Adam or his descendants because of his sin or theirs, then the debt was owed to God. If Jesus death was to pay a debt then the debt must have been paid to God, and that would put God in the position of demanding the death of His own Son in order to satisfy a debt to Himself. The other alternative would be Anselm's satisfaction theory which had the debt being paid to the devil, which I personally think is absurd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Jesus died as a substitute, taking our place for the crimes we have committed, then He suffered the punishment for our sins which was due. There is no need for forgiveness then, because the sentence has been carried out. We are free, not because we have been forgiven, but because someone else took our place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I see it, the only way we can understand forgiveness is to see it as a gracious act of God in NOT demanding payment or punishment for our sins. If we use the metaphor of a debt, then the debt is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;paid &lt;/span&gt;and is not forgiven. If we use the language of capital punishment then the sentence has been carried out and the guilty party has a substitute who dies in their place, but the crime is not forgiven. Neither of these analogies explain what actually happened: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God chose to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;forgive &lt;/span&gt;our sins even though there was absolutely nothing we could do to merit or deserve His forgiveness, and even though it would be impossible for us to find a substitute who could suffer the punishment which our sins deserved.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I see it, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Jesus' death was a demonstration of how far God's love would go in order to save us&lt;/span&gt;, not what God demands in order to be satisfied. Several Scriptures point us in this direction:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Romans 5:8&lt;br /&gt;But God demonstrates &lt;strong&gt;his own love &lt;/strong&gt;for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Galatians 2:20&lt;br /&gt;The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who &lt;b&gt;loved&lt;/b&gt; me and gave himself for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ephesians 5:2&lt;br /&gt;Christ &lt;b&gt;loved&lt;/b&gt; us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 3:16&lt;br /&gt;This is how we know what &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 4:9&lt;br /&gt;This is how God showed his &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 John 4:10&lt;br /&gt;This is &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt;: not that we loved God, but that &lt;strong&gt;he loved us &lt;/strong&gt;and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. &lt;/blockquote&gt;The death of Christ is primarily &lt;strong&gt;a demonstration of the love of God&lt;/strong&gt;. It was not an act to appease an offended deity. It was not a mechanistic or legalistic sacrifice to satisfy the requirements of any religious law. It was not a demonstration of what "the  flesh" deserved. &lt;strong&gt;It was an act of love.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;William Barclay puts it very beautifully in &lt;em&gt;The Plain Man Looks at the Apostles' Creed:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But why the death of Christ? If Jesus had stopped before the cross, it would have meant that there was some point beyond which the love of God would not go, some limit to his love. But in Jesus God says: 'You may disobey me; you may grieve me; you may be disloyal to me; you may misunderstand me; you may batter me and bruise me and scourge me; you may treat me with savage injustice; you may kill me on a cross; &lt;strong&gt;I will never stop loving you.'&lt;/strong&gt; This means that the life and death of Jesus are the demonstration and the proof of the limitless, the undefeatable, unchangeable, unalterable, infinite love of God." (My emphasis).&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is the most beautiful summary I have ever read of the motivation beyond the cross.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2536197118801700788?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2536197118801700788/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2536197118801700788' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2536197118801700788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2536197118801700788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-jesus-suffered.html' title='Why Jesus suffered'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-RJ-O6I7XI/AAAAAAAAACw/apDHvXA92pU/s72-c/Christ+on+trial.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4393900162297355026</id><published>2008-03-20T09:30:00.008+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-20T18:24:16.373+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lord&apos;s table'/><title type='text'>The meaning of the last supper</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-Gw5O6I7WI/AAAAAAAAACo/CUgrRguRlhQ/s1600-h/Last+Supper+-+Fra+Angelico.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-Gw5O6I7WI/AAAAAAAAACo/CUgrRguRlhQ/s320/Last+Supper+-+Fra+Angelico.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5179615543753764194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Today is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Maundy Thursday&lt;/span&gt;, the anniversary of when Jesus celebrated the Passover with His disciples the night before His crucifixion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This message is to share with you some thoughts on the origin and meaning of the "bread and wine" symbolism used at the last supper, especially in the context of first century Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For some further information on the events of the last supper see my article &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;"The Night He Was Betrayed"&lt;/span&gt;  which has been reproduced &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2006/02/night-he-was-betrayed.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During Jesus' last meal with His disciples He prayed over bread and wine and said “This is my body” and “This is my blood” (&lt;xbr t="Mt 26:26-28"&gt;Matthew 26:26–28; &lt;xbr t="Mk 14:22-24"&gt;Mark 14:22–24; &lt;xbr t="Lu 22:19-20"&gt;Luke 22:19–20). For many Christians, especially Gentile (non-Jewish) believers,  that could only mean that Jesus referred to himself: Bread and wine were tokens of Jesus body and blood. To many Christians later in history &lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;these words would mean that the bread and wine &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;literally &lt;/span&gt;became His body and blood&lt;xbr t="Mt 26:26-28"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Mk 14:22-24"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Lu 22:19-20"&gt; when believers consumed them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;The traditional understanding of the bread and wine, known in many churches as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Eucharist&lt;/span&gt;, and to Christadelphians as &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"the emblems&lt;/span&gt;", is that Jesus was telling His followers to eat bread and drink wine &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;as if&lt;/span&gt; they were his own flesh and blood. The celebration of "Holy Communion" or "breaking bread" was to be a memorial of Jesus' voluntary death as a sacrifice offered for the sins of mankind. The bread and wine were intended to be visible reminders of His body which was nailed to the cross and His blood which was shed there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But is that plausible within the context of first century Judaism? What Jew would tell another to drink blood, even symbolic blood? The thought of drinking blood, even animal blood, was blasphemous. To imagine drinking human blood and consuming it with human flesh could only make the blasphemy worse. Yet there is no hint in the accounts of the last supper that Jesus' disciples were shocked or even puzzled by this saying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what did Jesus mean?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In earlier messages I've emphasised the importance of the meal table in Jesus' teachings. In contrast to the meals of the Pharisees in which only the ritually pure could participate and from which the blind, crippled and diseased were excluded together with the "sinners" (including those with heretical doctrines), Jesus was welcoming and inclusive. He taught "when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind" (Lk 14:12). He ate with "sinners" and refused to wash His hands after being in contact with common people and before eating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Jesus’ meals were also meant to be a taste of the kingdom to come. The prophets taught that in the kingdom to come God would "share His table" with "all peoples" on his holy mountain (e.g.  &lt;xbr t="Is 25:6-8"&gt;Isaiah 25:6–8). Jesus shared that hope:&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Many shall come from east and west, and feast with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 8:11; Luke 13:28–29)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unlike the Pharisees, Jesus’ meals were inclusive. He avoided any exclusive practices that would divide the people of God from one another and accepted all the people of God  at His table, including tax agents and other suspicious characters, and even notorious sinners. The meal for him was a sign of the kingdom of God and everyone was to have access to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's important that we see the last supper not only in the context of Jesus teaching about the Kingdom of God, but also in the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;immediate context&lt;/span&gt;. Jesus had just created a furor at the Temple by driving out the animals being sold for sacrifices, and the money-changers. He objected to merchants selling sacrificial animals in the vast outer court of the Temple (and no doubt He objected even further to the fact that the chief priests were making a personal fortune from this trade).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Gospels record several dramatic moments when Jesus challenged religious practices:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. His first recorded miracle was to convert water used for ritual purification into wine which was to be drunk in celebration (John 2:1-11. Note especially verse 6).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. He declared all foods clean (Mark 7:19)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. By refusing to wash His hands before a meal He declared all people clean. In other words, there was no need to wash away their 'contamination' before He could eat. (Luke 11:37-40; Matt 15:2; Mark 7:1-4).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. He worked on the Sabbath (John 5:16-18).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. By driving sacrificial animals from the Temple courts He declared an end to animal sacrifices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;xbr t="Mt 21:12"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Mk 11:15-16"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Lu 19:45"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Jn 2:15-16"&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;xbr t="Mt 21:12-13"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Mk 11:15-17"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Lu 19:45-46"&gt;&lt;xbr t="Jn 2:13-17"&gt;To the priests and the religious authorities this last action was the most radical of them all, and threatened their livelihood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;Soon after this “cleansing” of the Temple, Jesus again celebrated a meal as a foretaste of the kingdom, just as he had before. But he added a new dimension of meaning, related to His actions at the Temple. Jesus said over the wine, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;“This &lt;/span&gt;is my blood,” and over the bread, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;“This &lt;/span&gt;is my flesh”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the context of His actions at the Temple, Jesus’ words can have had only one meaning. He cannot have meant, “This is my own body and blood”; that would have been shocking and would have been understood as blasphemous. Jesus’ point was that, as true worship and sacrifice could not be practiced at the Temple it was no longer possible or necessary to perform animal sacrifices. The common elements of a meal were to be the new 'offerings' to God: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;wine would replace the blood of sacrifice, and bread would replace the flesh of sacrifice&lt;/span&gt;. These were His substitutes for the animal sacrifices at the Temple. When he said, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“This &lt;/span&gt;is my blood, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;this &lt;/span&gt;is my flesh,” he meant that the wine and bread were replacing the blood and flesh of animals being sacrificed at the Temple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was in effect saying that by sharing meals in anticipation of the kingdom, He and his followers offered more acceptable worship than what was offered in the Temple. The wine was better blood, the bread better flesh, than Temple sacrifices that were being controlled by the religious authorities to line their own pockets.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No where else does Jesus speak of His own death as an 'atonement'. In sharing bread and wine at the last supper He is not speaking of His own death as a human sacrifice. We should remember too that this was Passover and Paul makes a connection with the timing and speaks of Jesus as "Christ our Passover lamb" (1 Cor 5:7). But the Passover lamb was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;offered as an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;atonement &lt;/span&gt;or as a sacrifice for sin. It was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;a sin offering. Every part of the lamb was to be consumed in a meal in which everyone was to participate: the whole family together with neighbours. There had to be enough people present to ensure that nothing was left over (Exodus 12:4, 10). This was a festive meal, a celebration of freedom. People often confuse the Passover lamb with the sin offerings and think of "Christ our Passover lamb" as a sacrifice for sins. This has led to further confusion about the meaning of the "body" and "blood" references during the last supper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For many Christians, including Christadelphians, the primary focus of Communion is on the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;death&lt;/span&gt; of Christ as an atonement for sins. This is especially so in relation to the communion 'cup' as a symbol of shed blood. However, it's important to note that the Passover lamb was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; sacrificed as an atonement, and Jesus' reference to the wine as a symbol of blood was to the "blood of the covenant". Sacrifice in confirmation of a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;covenant&lt;/span&gt; was never for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;atonement&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus is, however, saying that this is a radical change in the way God is to be worshipped. He  says of the wine: “This is my blood &lt;i&gt;of the covenant&lt;/i&gt;.” (&lt;xbr t="Mt 26:28"&gt;Matthew 26:28; &lt;xbr t="Mk 14:24"&gt;Mark 14:24. Compare &lt;xbr t="Lu 22:20"&gt;Luke 22:20 and &lt;xbr t="1Co 11:25"&gt;1 Corinthians 11:25, which speaks of “new covenant.”)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;&lt;/xbr&gt;When Jesus referred to His blood as 'the blood of the [new] covenant', He was referring to the sacrifice which sealed a covenant. He is undoubtedly linking the blood with which Moses sealed the covenant in Exodus 24:8 and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;new&lt;/span&gt; covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34. The words in Jeremiah refer to the community of God's people receiving God's law in their hearts and minds and is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;contrasted&lt;/span&gt; with the exodus from Egypt which was being celebrated at that time in the Passover meal  ("It will &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt"). Jesus undoubtedly had Jeremiah's words in mind at this Passover-celebration from Egypt, and Jeremiah revealed that the new covenant will be different to the old, as the new community of the covenant-people will be different from the old community. The emphasis again is on the Kingdom which Jesus is inaugurating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For Jesus the 'last supper' was the first of a new type of Passover - a remembrance of the deliverance from the bondage of sin and the institution of the new covenant and a new community of covenant-people. The Kingdom of God had come and this meal was a foretaste of the Messianic banquet of which he had spoken so many times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-4393900162297355026?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/4393900162297355026/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=4393900162297355026' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4393900162297355026'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/4393900162297355026'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/meaning-of-last-supper.html' title='The meaning of the last supper'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R-Gw5O6I7WI/AAAAAAAAACo/CUgrRguRlhQ/s72-c/Last+Supper+-+Fra+Angelico.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1875856069256034281</id><published>2008-03-19T08:38:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-19T09:02:41.983+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Women&apos;s roles'/><title type='text'>Weak men being bullied off the platform</title><content type='html'>I recently read some remarkable comments on a Christadelphian forum which was discussing  whether women should wear head coverings in church ("meetings").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At one stage the discussion turned to include the broader issue of whether women should be allowed to speak in church. While some churches would ask the question if women should be &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;in the pulpit&lt;/span&gt;, the Christadelphian terminology would be to ask if women should be "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;on the platform&lt;/span&gt;".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two comments in particular (by the same writer) took me by surprise:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"When you have women actively competing for time on the platform, you're going to end up with conflict. No two ways about it. It's easy to see what happens. Weak men are bullied off the platform, or only permitted to speak when the women permit them to."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Man bullying by women has become an increasingly popular pastime in the churches, and it's unfortunate that it's creeping into the ecclesia."&lt;/blockquote&gt;I was surprised by this because it's not only rare to find Christadelphian women in teaching positions at all, but to hear that men are being "bullied off the platform" was particularly surprising. The writer was not referring to some hypothetical possibility. He was saying that this "man bullying by women" is something that's actually taking place now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This led me to consider taking a poll on my blog (the first time I've done this). I've set up a poll in the sidebar to the right and would value your feedback - the more people who respond to this the better it will be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you're a Christadelphian man, and you are currently a speaker (or have ever been one) please let me know if you have ever been "bullied off the platform" by a woman. In other words, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;have you ever been pressured into giving up your place on the speaking list so that a woman can speak or teach in your place?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;This poll will probably close in about two weeks.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1875856069256034281?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1875856069256034281/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1875856069256034281' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1875856069256034281'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1875856069256034281'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/weak-men-being-bullied-off-platform.html' title='Weak men being bullied off the platform'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3348017598237466180</id><published>2008-03-17T23:47:00.004+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-18T00:34:56.378+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Doctrine and Conduct'/><title type='text'>People in glass houses</title><content type='html'>I read a message today on a Christadelphian forum which appeared to be gloating over the fact that Sydney's &lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Hillsong &lt;/span&gt;church and their &lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Mercy Ministries&lt;/span&gt; project received some 'bad press' in today's Melbourne &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Age &lt;/span&gt;newspaper and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sydney Morning Herald.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I read the article in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sydney Morning Herald&lt;/span&gt; over my breakfast and noticed several holes in the story. It was very poor journalism in my opinion. Parts of the media are out to portray Christianity (in any form) in a very bad light, so I personally wouldn't be influenced by anything they have to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, it struck me that the comment posted by a Christadelphian on a forum later in the day was just as little bit hypocritical. The writer said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"People sometimes ask me 'But why is correct doctrine important?'. This is one of the most telling demonstrations as to why. Remember, this isn't just about Mercy Ministries, it's about Hillsong who helps support them and sends vulnerable people to them. False beliefs result in destructive practices."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I say this comment was 'hypocritical' because I know that the writer is aware that just a few months ago these same newspapers were publishing stories about Christadelphians in a similar way.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; In reporting on the collapse of a company whose founders and directors were Christadelphians the newspapers made a link between the the questionable business practices of some Christadelphians and Christadelphians' questionable prophetical interpretations. They were saying something along the lines of Christadelphians' false beliefs resulting in destructive business practices.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One article about these Christadelphians "ripping people off" was titled "Investors suffer again in case of bad religion" (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Age&lt;/span&gt; 30/05/2007). The newspapers suggested that Christadelphianism was "bad religion" and implied that it is a cult-like religion which preys on the vulnerable and robs them of their savings by spurious means.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The journalist may well have said "False beliefs result in destructive practices".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the journalist may have been wrong when he made the connection between the bad business practices of some Christadelphians and the doctrines of their denomination; but you'd think that just a few months later when the same newspapers have a go at another denomination that Christadelphians would have a little bit of humility and remember what the press was saying about &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;them &lt;/span&gt;not so long ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I replied to the messages on the Christadelphian forum with a post very similar to what I have written here. Almost immediately it was childishly marked by an administrator as 'irrelevant' in an attempt to conceal it. It's another bit of irony that not only are some Christadelphians incredibly hypocritical, but that they really hate having this pointed out to them and will do whatever they can to cover up their own faults while hurling stones at easy targets.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3348017598237466180?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3348017598237466180/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3348017598237466180' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3348017598237466180'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3348017598237466180'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/people-in-glass-houses.html' title='People in glass houses'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6042337187265541803</id><published>2008-03-08T11:26:00.003+11:00</published><updated>2008-03-08T11:38:35.214+11:00</updated><title type='text'>The Creed of Jesus</title><content type='html'>Restoration Fellowship Australia will be holding their 2008 National conference in Brisbane July 18-20, on the theme &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"The Creed of Jesus"&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keynote speakers include:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Professor Sir Anthony Buzzard&lt;/span&gt;, author of numerous books including "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967324971/ref=s9_asin_image_2_subs_c4_49_13_10-f9_p_c_f_p-qvfp_g1-2785_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=1SWAGDSYX678B9ER2D2D&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;amp;pf_rd_p=278240301&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=507846"&gt;Jesus Was Not a Trinitarian&lt;/a&gt;". He is an outstanding theologian and academic - educated at Oxford University and Bethany Theological Seminary, he holds master's degrees in theology and modern languages. Retiring after 24 years on the staff of Atlanta Bible College, Anthony continues to write, teach and travel, fulfilling a life-long desire to make the best of Bible scholarship available to the wider churchgoing public.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Greg Deuble&lt;/span&gt; - author of "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967324955/ref=s9_asin_image_1_subs_c4_49_13_10-f9_p_c_f_p-qvfp_g1-2785_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=1SWAGDSYX678B9ER2D2D&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;amp;pf_rd_p=278240301&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=507846"&gt;They Never Told Me &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;THIS &lt;/span&gt;in Church!&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other speakers are:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Frank Selch&lt;br /&gt;Paul Herring&lt;br /&gt;Peter Barfoot&lt;br /&gt;Mark Scull&lt;br /&gt;Cliff York&lt;br /&gt;Stephen Cook&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A registration form and further details can be downloaded &lt;a href="http://www.restorationfellowship.info/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This should be an excellent conference and is open to anyone interested in exploring the Bible's teaching on the oneness of God and the Gospel of the Kingdom. Further details of the conference programme, including speakers' topics, will be available soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6042337187265541803?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6042337187265541803/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6042337187265541803' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6042337187265541803'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6042337187265541803'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/03/creed-of-jesus.html' title='The Creed of Jesus'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-8339761498716840146</id><published>2008-02-20T12:35:00.002+11:00</published><updated>2008-02-20T12:45:18.299+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church'/><title type='text'>Healthy church life</title><content type='html'>The Australian &lt;a href="http://www.ncls.org.au/"&gt;National Church Life Survey&lt;/a&gt; published an interesting list of 12 core qualities of healthy   churches.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Faith and Worship&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. An Alive and growing faith&lt;br /&gt;2. Vital and nurturing worship&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Our Life Together&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Growth in belonging and involvement&lt;br /&gt;4. An active concern for those on the fringe of church life&lt;br /&gt;5. Care for young people&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Community Connections&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. A focus beyond ourselves&lt;br /&gt;7. Serving the wider community&lt;br /&gt;8. Discussing faith and inviting others to church&lt;br /&gt;9. Integrating newcomers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Vision and Purpose&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. A clear owned vision for the future&lt;br /&gt;11. Openness to new possibilities&lt;br /&gt;12. Empowering and inspiring leadership&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does your church/ecclesia rate against this list?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-8339761498716840146?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/8339761498716840146/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=8339761498716840146' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8339761498716840146'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/8339761498716840146'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/02/healthy-church-life.html' title='Healthy church life'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2476794430415945223</id><published>2008-02-12T14:31:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-02-12T15:49:17.327+11:00</updated><title type='text'>The Bishop of Durham makes news on heaven-going</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R7ElPWPCI4I/AAAAAAAAACQ/bZANuo3gb1E/s1600-h/heaven_0207.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R7ElPWPCI4I/AAAAAAAAACQ/bZANuo3gb1E/s320/heaven_0207.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5165951193167569794" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is an interesting interview with N.T. "Tom" Wright, Bishop of Durham, in the Feb 7 2008 issue of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Time &lt;/span&gt;magazine. The article is available &lt;a target="_top" href="http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1710844,00.html"&gt;online&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article has some interesting stuff, including the following:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It therefore comes as something of a shock that Wright doesn't believe in heaven — at least, not in the way that millions of Christians understand the term. In his new book, &lt;i&gt;Surprised by Hope&lt;/i&gt; (HarperOne), Wright quotes a children's book by California first lady Maria Shriver called &lt;i&gt;What's Heaven,&lt;/i&gt; which describes it as "a beautiful place where you can sit on soft clouds and talk... If you're good throughout your life, then you get to go [there]... When your life is finished here on earth, God sends angels down to take you heaven to be with him." That, says Wright is a good example of "what not to say." The Biblical truth, he continues, "is very, very different".&lt;/blockquote&gt;While Wright apparently believes in an "intermediate state" between death and the resurrection, he emphasizes that the teaching of the New testament is primarily about resurrection and a renewed earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wright says that people deny the idea of bodily resurrection when they talk about their "souls going to Heaven." He says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If people think "my physical body doesn't matter very much," then who cares what I do with it? And if people think that our world, our cosmos, doesn't matter much, who cares what we do with that? Much of "traditional" Christianity gives the impression that God has these rather arbitrary rules about how you have to behave, and if you disobey them you go to hell, rather than to heaven. What the New Testament really says is God wants you to be a renewed human being helping him to renew his creation, and his resurrection was the opening bell. And when he returns to fulfil the plan, you won't be going up there to him, he'll be coming down here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This article may interest a lot of people reading this blog, especially those from an &lt;em&gt;Abrahamic Faith &lt;/em&gt;or &lt;em&gt;Christadelphian &lt;/em&gt;background. It has been said that Tom Wright's views on &lt;em&gt;Christology &lt;/em&gt;are closer to Abrahamic Faith and Christadelphian ideas than the views of most trinitarians. Now it seems the Bishop of Durham may also be somewhat closer to Abrahamic Faith and Christadelphian thinking on the resurrection and the Age to Come than he is to many people in his own communion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wright ends the interview with these words:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In almost all cases, when I've explained this to people, there's a sense of excitement and a sense of, "Why haven't we been told this before?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;Those final words reminded me of the title of Greg Deuble's excellent book &lt;a target="_top" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967324955/ref=s9_asin_title_3-2717_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;amp;pf_rd_s=center-5&amp;amp;pf_rd_r=10QCD60J6PY0ZS6JXEZF&amp;amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;amp;pf_rd_p=358860301&amp;amp;pf_rd_i=507846"&gt;"They Never Told Me THIS in Church!"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm wondering if there is a really positive way of talking about life-after-death without being confrontational, yet arousing people's interest in something they've never heard before. I mean, the popular Christadelphian approach to the subject ("the churches are wrong", "Christendom is astray", "you don't go to heaven when you die", "you're loved ones are nowhere", "we're right and you're wrong") can be more than a little off-putting for some people - which I guess is why people are staying away from Christadelphian lectures in their droves. And then with many Christadelphians comes this little rider: "and if you don't get this right there is no hope of salvation for you".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Christadelphian friend of mine recently put it this way: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;"The teachings unique to Christadelphians are important and true and should be stated - but to use them to condemn other Christians is completely opposite to their intention and continues the division we have been guilty of."&lt;/span&gt; (Although I should let my friend know that most of the doctrines he thinks are "unique to Christadelphians" are also held by many others - there is very little which is "unique").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surely there is a way to positively teach about subjects like life-after-death, the oneness of God, and the humanity of Jesus without judging people who disagree as non-christian and beyond the pale. Perhaps the Bishop of Durham will ultimately succeed where Christadelphians have failed.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2476794430415945223?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2476794430415945223/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2476794430415945223' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2476794430415945223'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2476794430415945223'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/02/bishop-of-durham-makes-news-on-heaven.html' title='The Bishop of Durham makes news on heaven-going'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R7ElPWPCI4I/AAAAAAAAACQ/bZANuo3gb1E/s72-c/heaven_0207.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3202679968784956895</id><published>2008-02-03T16:20:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-02-03T16:38:42.451+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Why are some churches so appalling?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I was shocked to read last week that a radical American church planned to picket Heath Ledger's memorial service because of his portrayal of a gay cowboy in &lt;i&gt;Brokeback Mountain.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Members of the church (which I won't name - they don't deserve any publicity) said Ledger is now in hell. These so-called Christians have shown absolutely no respect for a family that’s coping with a terrible loss. They are insensitive, uncaring and totally devoid of any sympathy for grieving friends and family. It's Christians like these who make a lot of people question whether there really is a God. Who would want to believe in a God who has followers like this? One journalist wrote:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Further comment feels unnecessary, other than perhaps to wonder whether the "church" will ever realise that their continued existence is the most eloquent argument against the existence of any deity. And then to accept the answer would be a no."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;The appallingly sordid bad taste of a group of people who bring shame on the whole body of Christ is a shocking reminder that people will judge Christianity by what they see - Christians! And in this instance what they see even makes other Christians sick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John wrote that "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love" (1 John 4:8). If these so-called Christians don't know how to show love, respect and kindness to a family which has just suffered a tragic loss then they have demonstrated to us all that they don't know God.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3202679968784956895?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3202679968784956895/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3202679968784956895' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3202679968784956895'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3202679968784956895'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-are-some-churches-so-appalling.html' title='Why are some churches so appalling?'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-3611164644858699792</id><published>2008-01-24T20:15:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-24T22:28:24.621+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Church'/><title type='text'>What's in a name?</title><content type='html'>This week I came across a Christadelphian meeting place quite by chance as I was driving along a road I have not been on for quite some time. It wasn't the building which caught my attention. In fact, the building was stark and uninviting and I initially thought it was an industrial site. However, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;sign &lt;/span&gt;caught my eye.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R5h2C8mBoeI/AAAAAAAAACA/ODFLQ3AtWk4/s1600-h/BLC3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R5h2C8mBoeI/AAAAAAAAACA/ODFLQ3AtWk4/s320/BLC3.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5159003166150336994" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess I was initially somewhat surprised to see a Christadelphian meeting place described as a  "Bible Learning Centre", as I haven't come across this before. It got me to thinking about how this name was obviously chosen because that is the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;main emphasis&lt;/span&gt; of this ecclesia - in other words, what mostly goes on here is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;learning about the Bible&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interestingly, I also recently visited an ecclesia which has a very different sign. This meeting describes itself as the "Pine Rivers Worship Centre". This tells me that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the main focus of this ecclesia is worship&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R5h2PcmBofI/AAAAAAAAACI/GGaNeUCT2jY/s1600-h/PR.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R5h2PcmBofI/AAAAAAAAACI/GGaNeUCT2jY/s320/PR.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5159003380898701810" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do the different names tell us anything about any possible differences between these two ecclesias? I think so. I must say that I have actually visited one (the "worship centre") but not the other, so what I'm writing here is mostly just my impression from the sign.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apart from the fact that the "War with Russia is Inevitable" sign is a dead giveaway (to a Christadelphian) that this is a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Logos &lt;/span&gt;ecclesia (does any other kind of ecclesia flog this prophetic dead horse?), the emphasis on "Bible learning" tells me that for this ecclesia &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;knowledge &lt;/span&gt;about the Bible would be the most important thing to them. On the other hand, to the folks at the "worship centre" how they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;worship &lt;/span&gt;the God of the Bible is presumably the most important thing to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The two signs tell me that one ecclesia is interested in matters of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;head &lt;/span&gt;("learning") while the other is more focussed on matters of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;heart &lt;/span&gt;(as worship involves the emotions as well as the intellect). One ecclesia would emphasise &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;getting their facts right&lt;/span&gt;, while the other would want to be in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;a right relationship&lt;/span&gt; with the One they worship. The first might help me to know &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;about &lt;/span&gt;God, but the second might help me to actually get to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;know God&lt;/span&gt;. If I was looking for salvation I might get the impression from one sign that there was stuff I had to know (and with "learning" and "seminars" I might wonder about whether I would have to sit for an exam), while the other sign suggests that I'm likely to find a nurturing environment ("caring and sharing") with more group support and the potential for friendships and relationships.*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One sign tells us that war is inevitable (and to most people this is a bad thing, although the sign leaves us wondering if the people who run the seminars here think this is good or bad) while the other sign tells us that they are about "caring and sharing". &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;One promises death and destruction, the other offers hope.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;One sign tells me that the  Bible contains &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;unpleasant information&lt;/span&gt; (war is inevitable) while the other sign tells me that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;there are people who care about me&lt;/span&gt; (and my kids). The people at the worship centre have obviously found something which they think is good, which is why they want to worship the One who has shown them "the way, the truth and the life", and why they want to share it with me. I'm not sure why the other folks are telling me that a war is coming. Are they trying to help me avoid it (but can I avoid it if it's "inevitable"?) or are they prophets of gloom and doom? I wonder if they have long beards and wear signboards like the guys in the cartoons ("The end is nigh!")?&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Neither of the two signs use many words,  but in their choice of words they tell us a great deal about the different groups that meet there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;* Because I do know about Logos ecclesias - and was actually raised in one, so I know a great deal about them - I know that this ecclesia would believe that you must have &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;the right beliefs, down to the details, in order to be saved. Correct knowledge is a life and death matter to them, so if you get the slightest thing wrong then you would be unwelcome there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-3611164644858699792?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/3611164644858699792/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=3611164644858699792' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3611164644858699792'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/3611164644858699792'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/whats-in-name.html' title='What&apos;s in a name?'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_cjxsyuGedI0/R5h2C8mBoeI/AAAAAAAAACA/ODFLQ3AtWk4/s72-c/BLC3.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6576245860684647427</id><published>2008-01-23T08:21:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-23T10:43:00.837+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='What is the Gospel?'/><title type='text'>Yours is the kingdom of God</title><content type='html'>I recently came across this great quote from a book by Catholic theologian Albert Nolan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Jesus Before Christianity&lt;br /&gt;by Albert Nolan, pages 57-58, 1992&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The gospel or good news which Jesus brought to the poor and the oppressed was a &lt;em&gt;prophecy&lt;/em&gt;. He prophesied a future event which would be a blessing to the poor. This event was not merely the coming of God’s “kingdom” but the coming of God’s “kingdom” for the poor and the oppressed. “Yours is the kingdom of God” (Lk 6:20).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Jesus’ basic prophecy is contained in those passages of the gospel which we call the beatitudes:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;     Blessed are the poor&lt;br /&gt;    because yours is the kingdom of God.&lt;br /&gt;    Blessed are you who are hungry now&lt;br /&gt;    because you shall be satisfied.&lt;br /&gt;    Blessed are you who weep now&lt;br /&gt;    because you shall laugh. (Lk 6:20-21)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;… If great hopes for the future were awakened in the poor by Jesus’ activity, even greater hopes must have been awakened by his prophetic words. But these hopes had originally nothing whatsoever to do with heaven - at least not as a place of happiness and rewards in the after-life. Heaven in the time of Jesus was a synonym for God. The “kingdom” of heaven means the “kingdom” of God. Having rewards or treasures in heaven means being in the good books of God. Literally heaven was the sky, the place where God and all other spirits dwell. All dead people go into &lt;em&gt;sheol&lt;/em&gt;, i.e., the underworld or the grave. Even those who believed in rewards and punishments in the after-life (before the general resurrection) pictured this as something that happened in two different departments of &lt;em&gt;sheol&lt;/em&gt;.  The virtuous were in the bosom of Abraham in &lt;em&gt;sheol&lt;/em&gt;, and a great chasm separated them from the wicked, who were in another part of &lt;em&gt;sheol&lt;/em&gt; (compare Lk 16:23-26). The Christian belief in heaven originated after the death of Jesus with the idea that he had been taken up into heaven or exalted to the right hand of God.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;But the good news of the “kingdom” of God was news about a future state of affairs &lt;em&gt;on earth&lt;/em&gt; when the poor would no longer be poor, the hungry would be satisfied and the oppressed would no longer be miserable. To say “Thy kingdom come” is the same as saying “Thy will be done &lt;em&gt;on earth&lt;/em&gt; as it is in heaven” (Mt 6:10 par). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Christadelphians will agree with this Catholic theologian that the kingdom of God will be on earth, and not in heaven after death. But before getting too excited that you have the agreement of a Catholic scholar, take careful note of his main point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The really great part of this quote, in my opinion, is that Nolan has picked up that Jesus did not come simply to say "the Kingdom of God is coming", but rather "the Kingdom of God is coming for the poor, the oppressed, the rejected, the mistreated, the disenfranchised, and those who don't measure-up to the standards imposed by the religious".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;I think Christadelphians have got the Gospel half right: the Kingdom of God &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;is &lt;/span&gt;coming. But for whom?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6576245860684647427?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6576245860684647427/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6576245860684647427' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6576245860684647427'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6576245860684647427'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/yours-is-kingdom-of-god.html' title='Yours is the kingdom of God'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6376840376150022273</id><published>2008-01-23T08:05:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-23T10:55:55.708+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Doctrine and Conduct'/><title type='text'>Weeping and gnashing of teeth</title><content type='html'>The expression "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" is a puzzling one, and one which has engendered fear into generations of believers. It's an image associated with being "cast into outer darkness" and rejection. It's a favourite of "hell-fire and brimstone" preachers, and one which is often quoted in order to bring people into line.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, what is “gnashing of teeth?” The Greek word that is translated as “gnashing”  is from a word that means “to bite” and describes the snarling of a wild animal as it attacks. In all of the passages where the Greek terms for gnash or gnashing are used in  the New Testament or in the Septuagint &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they are always used of anger, rage, pain or  anguish&lt;/span&gt;. They are never used of sorrow, grief, remorse or regret.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The expression "weeping and gnashing of teeth" occurs only seven times in the Bible: six are found in the gospel of Matthew,  one in Luke.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;"I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:11-12).     &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:41-42).     &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 13:49-50).      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless. Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'" (Matthew        22:12-13).      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew        24:50-51).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:29-30).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!' There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out." (Luke 13:27-28).&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; A similar reference to gnashing of teeth occurs in Acts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart,  and they gnashed on him with their teeth (Acts 7:54).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;         &lt;p style="text-align: left;"&gt;This is the only passage in the New Testament where the term  "gnash" (verb)  is used apart from the common formula, "weeping (noun) and  gnashing of teeth."    It is a significant passage because  it sheds light on the meaning of the associated term "gnashing of teeth." This verse describes an incident where the religious leaders were furious with Stephen.   They were full  of anger and hatred which very soon led to their violent crime of stoning him. To "gnash the teeth" as it is used in this  passage has nothing to do with sorrow or regret or grief or remorse. It describes their anger and  hatred.  They were like angry growling animals about to devour their prey.&lt;/p&gt;Who is it that is being "cast into outer darkness" where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth" in Jesus' parables? On two occasions Jesus spoke about the "sons of the kingdom", or citizens of the Kingdom (the NIV has "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;subjects &lt;/span&gt;of the kingdom"). One of these was an occasion when He spoke of "weeping and gnashing of teeth".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The background to this saying was an encounter with a Roman centurion - someone &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;outside &lt;/span&gt;of God's chosen people Israel - and Jesus said of him " I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel." He then went on to say that while many would come from outside and sit down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom, the "children/sons/subjects of the kingdom" would be cast into outer darkness where there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth. It's evident that He is saying &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;outsiders &lt;/span&gt;(such as this Roman centurion) would be welcomed into the kingdom while those who thought the kingdom was their "right" would be rejected. But when we look at some of the other similar sayings we see that it was not &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;Israel who would be cast out, but a particular class &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;within &lt;/span&gt;Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was not only "Gentiles" who were "outsiders". The Pharisees and religious leaders also excluded people with disabilities (the blind, the crippled, the deaf), those with infectious diseases such as leprosy, people who colluded with the Romans (such as tax-collectors), people who didn't measure up to their standards of holiness or who rejected some of their doctrines (the term "sinners" included people who disagreed with them as well as those who were guilty of breaking the Law) as well as Samaritans and Gentiles. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;In fact, they took the name "Pharisees" because it meant "the separated" - they were "pure in doctrine and conduct", or so they thought.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consequently many of Jesus' sayings and stories were directed against this elite class within Israel: the religious leaders, the pure, the separated, those who felt that they alone were the "true Israel".  For example, after Jesus told the parable of the talents Mark and Luke tell us that "the teachers of the law and the chief priests ...  knew he had spoken this parable against them" (Mk 12:12; Lk 20:19).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In these sayings Jesus is saying that it was those who were regarded by the religious leaders as being "outsiders", those whom they rejected, that are to be made welcome in the Kingdom. On the other hand, the "insiders", the doctrinally pure, those who have separated themselves from the ones who don't measure up doctrinally or in their behaviour, are to be "cast out". As a result of being rejected there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth". This is not a weeping of remorse or sorrow, but of anger and resentment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Something you've hopefully already noticed from reading earlier posts on this blog is that when Jesus told stories or parables about the kingdom He wasn't always speaking of some future time in the Age to Come. Most of Jesus' kingdom-sayings were about the here-and-now,  and how kingdom-people should prepare for the Age to Come. Of course, some of His stories &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;were &lt;/span&gt;about the future, such as the one in the list below where He said "this is how it will be &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;at the end of the age&lt;/span&gt;." The context will determine whether Jesus is speaking about the hear-and-now or the age to come.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it is that the religious purists who will be rejected "at the end of the age" will go away angrily "gnashing their teeth" with rage because &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;that is how they behave now&lt;/span&gt;. In Stephen's day they directed their anger and rage against this faithful follower of Jesus (and his Greek name suggests that he was a Gentile, an "outsider"). Throughout history we have seen "religious" people directing their anger against other believers who don't measure up to the standards imposed by the purists. The same is evident today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Putting this together, we see that the idea behind this expression is that those who are apart from God attack each other and try to tear each other, much like a pack of dogs fighting over a carcass.  Without love there is just hatred and envy. Those who do not live by Jesus' teachings on love and grace bite and tear each other. Those who live according to God’s way help others, rather than tearing them down. In these stories of Jesus we are being told that the time will come when they will be left to themselves to tear each other apart. We don't have to wait until "the end of the age" to see this principle fulfilled. Communities, denominations and churches which splinter and divide do so because they are obsessed with their own standards of doctrinal purity or so-called holiness rather than reaching out  in love to those who are in need of God's kingdom, and in the process they tear each other apart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6376840376150022273?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6376840376150022273/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6376840376150022273' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6376840376150022273'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6376840376150022273'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/weeping-and-gnashing-of-teeth.html' title='Weeping and gnashing of teeth'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1947397525949323043</id><published>2008-01-19T12:40:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-19T12:50:45.223+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>Do Christadelphians enjoy schism?</title><content type='html'>It's nothing new to most readers of my blog that Christadelphians are a deeply divided community, and have been since 1885, and possibly earlier. I've lost count of the various "fellowships" and splinter groups.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I was surprised to see that the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; about Christadelphians on Wikipedia currently has more to say about "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians#Schisms"&gt;schisms&lt;/a&gt;" within Christadelphianism than it says about Christadelphian &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians#Beliefs"&gt;beliefs&lt;/a&gt;! (I say "currently" because wikipedia is a dynamic information site and everything could change by the time I finish writing this post).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The information appears to me to have been posted by a Christadelphian. It makes me wonder why some Christadelphians seem to take so much delight in the fact that it is a divided, troubled, conflict-riddled, argumentative community which has not only set itself against the world but against each other.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1947397525949323043?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1947397525949323043/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1947397525949323043' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1947397525949323043'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1947397525949323043'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-christadelphians-enjoy-schism.html' title='Do Christadelphians enjoy schism?'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1419865091595536092</id><published>2008-01-10T09:14:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-10T09:18:52.441+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pakistan Christadelphians'/><title type='text'>PRAYER WEEK FOR PAKISTAN</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Pakistan is a nation in turmoil.&lt;/span&gt; Since the assassination of Benazir Bhutto there has been a great deal of uncertainty about political stability in Pakistan. Understandably, our brothers and sisters there are very concerned about the future. They are reporting that because of the destruction of infrastructure the power supply is very intermittent and some areas are going for long periods without power or gas. Communication has also consequently been disrupted. Food and essential commodities have escalated in price, with some basic items such as flour and milk increasing by 50-70%.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pakistan has been one of the fastest growing areas of the Christadelphian brotherhood in recent years. Since 2002 there have been more than 800 baptisms and the spread of the Gospel in this nation of 170 million people has been phenomenal. To aid and support this amazing activity of God, especially during this time of crisis, we are asking for your prayers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;For each day during the week commencing 13 January 2008 we are asking for Christadelphians worldwide to unite in their prayers for Pakistan . &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Each day will have a ‘theme’ to help you focus your praying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To facilitate this, each day during the prayer week an email will be sent to supporters and friends with some relevant background information and suggestions for thanksgiving and prayer requests, so that worldwide we will praying along similar lines each day. The same email will be posted on their blog (see link in the right side panel).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are not already on the email list to receive updates, please let us know and each day during this week we will email you so that you can join in this fellowship of praying together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A hard copy of these prayer suggestions for the full week can be posted to any brother or sister who would like to join us in the prayer-week but who cannot access email or the internet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please feel free to forward this message to any brothers and sisters who you feel would welcome the opportunity to partner with us in prayer for a full week for our brothers and sisters in Pakistan .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;To be added to the email list for prayer suggestions and updates send an email  with the word 'Subscribe' as the subject to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="mailto:pakistan.christadelphians@yahoo.com"&gt;pakistan.christadelphians@yahoo.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1419865091595536092?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1419865091595536092/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1419865091595536092' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1419865091595536092'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1419865091595536092'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/prayer-week-for-pakistan.html' title='PRAYER WEEK FOR PAKISTAN'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-6194256761711062313</id><published>2008-01-07T15:53:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2008-01-07T15:58:35.620+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Pakistan Christadelphians'/><title type='text'>ASSASSINATION OF BENAZIR BHUTTO</title><content type='html'>&lt;b&gt;Benazir Bhutto, twice prime minister of Pakistan, has been assassinated while campaigning for elections that were scheduled for 8 January. &lt;/b&gt;After returning to Pakistan in October 2007 Bhutto was hoping that her party, the PPP, would emerge as the dominant force in the elections, the first to be held since President Musharraf resigned as head of the army and became a civilian leader. Late last year, Ms Bhutto and Mr Musharraf had been working on a power-sharing agreement. The talks failed, leaving Ms Bhutto as the biggest political threat to President Musharraf, rather than an ally. Her death could leave a political vacuum.&lt;br /&gt;                       &lt;p&gt;There is now a great deal of uncertainty about political stability in Pakistan. Understandably, Christadelphians in Pakistan are very concerned about the future. One brother in Karachi contacted me to say: "When the news broken there were protests everywhere in the country, banks, vehicles and the official properties including police stations being set on fire ... traffic and cell services became jammed ... 7 people from the apartment where I'm living could not reach their homes for 4 hours after the incidents".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Friday last, five Christians were kidnapped in South Waziristan by unidentified men. The victims were en route from Wana to Dera Ismail Khan when they were abducted from the Wana-Tank Road. The political administration has confirmed the kidnapping, and said all resources were being utilised to secure the release of the abducted people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the latest news it has been reported that thousands of Pakistanis have fled into Afghanistan with the security situation deteriorating in Pakistan's tribal regions over the past week. Hundreds of families, comprising some 6,000 mainly women and children, have been crossing the border. It is the first time so many people have crossed this way as for years it was Afghans fleeing fighting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New York Times&lt;/span&gt; has also reported that US Security advisers are discussing whether to conduct far more aggressive covert operations in the tribal areas of Pakistan in response to intelligence reports that al-Qaeda and the Taliban are intensifying efforts to destabilise the Pakistani Government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For now Christadelphians in Pakistan have reported that they are safe from the turmoil following Bhutto's assassination, but they would value your prayers.&lt;/p&gt;For regular updates about Pakistan Christadelphians visit their &lt;a href="http://pakistanchristadelphians.blogspot.com/"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; or email &lt;a href="mailto:pakistan.christadelphians@yahoo.com"&gt;pakistan.christadelphians@yahoo.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-6194256761711062313?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/6194256761711062313/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=6194256761711062313' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6194256761711062313'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/6194256761711062313'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2008/01/assassination-of-benazir-bhutto.html' title='ASSASSINATION OF BENAZIR BHUTTO'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-672395840617143556</id><published>2007-12-17T16:06:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-12-17T16:14:04.215+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Agreement from an unlikely source</title><content type='html'>For years I have been saying that the Christadelphian statements of faith, including the Birmingham Amended Statement of Faith (BASF), are imperfect. The very fact that the BASF has been "amended" is a clear indication that the original writer(s) didn't get it right, at least in the eyes of the people who made later amendments. And the fact that it has been amended more than once should be a warning that even the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;amended &lt;/span&gt;versions are also quite possibly wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems now that I have an unexpected supporter: the editor of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Christadelphian&lt;/span&gt; magazine. In the June 2007 magazine he wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Creeds and human statements all contain inherent weaknesses, because they are framed by frail, earth-bound beings."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Michael Ashton&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-672395840617143556?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/672395840617143556/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=672395840617143556' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/672395840617143556'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/672395840617143556'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/12/agreement-from-unlikely-source.html' title='Agreement from an unlikely source'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2622794407435089949</id><published>2007-12-10T07:52:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-12-10T10:35:33.292+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Wrested Scriptures (fellowship)'/><title type='text'>Wrested Scriptures (5) - "another Gospel"</title><content type='html'>It is often argued by some Christadelphians that any variation from the one true faith falls under this condemnation of Paul:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed" (Gal 1:6-9)&lt;/blockquote&gt;This text is interpreted to mean that unless someone is preaching the one true faith in its entirety then they are preaching "another Gospel". It's argued, for example, that trinitarianism is "another Gospel". So too is heaven-going at death. Some Christadelphians go even further and accuse other Christadelphians of preaching "another Gospel" if they hold different views on the atonement, the nature of Christ, resurrectional responsibility, inspiration, divorce and remarriage, the extent of the Kingdom, or even the identity of Gog and Magog!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What did Paul mean when he wrote about those preaching "another Gospel"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best way to get an overview of Galatians is to read it through in one sitting, preferably in a modern version. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Message&lt;/span&gt; is excellent for this purpose, and it won't take long at all to read the whole letter. If you read Galatians this way you will notice that Paul is very single-minded and that he really has just one objective in writing this letter. There was only one issue that he wanted to deal with in this letter and he gets straight to the point in the opening verses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul doesn't leave us in any doubt as to the problem: certain teachers from Jerusalem had visited the churches in Galatia and attempted to bring them under some of the rules and regulations of Judaism. Paul is very outspoken in his opposition to this "Judaizing" of Christianity and makes it very clear indeed that the Gospel he preached, and through which the Galatians were converted, was a message of freedom in Christ. He tells them again that we are saved by grace, and not through the keeping of any rules or regulations. He explains that any human efforts to please God and gain salvation through rituals, law-keeping and 'legalism' of any kind will end in failure. No less than seven times he emphasises the importance of grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrasting the false teachings of the Judaisers with the message he preached, Paul says "You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;you have fallen away from grace&lt;/span&gt;" (5:4). To abandon the Gospel of grace is "apostacy" - a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;fall&lt;/span&gt; from grace.  He says that if righteousness could be gained any other way than by grace then "Christ died for nothing!" (2:20-21).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right from the start of this letter Paul makes it clear that this is about &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;grace versus legalism&lt;/span&gt;. He says that the Gospel of Christ which they first heard and embraced was about  "the grace of Christ" but that now they were deserting this Gospel of grace and "are turning to a different gospel - &lt;span id="en-NIV-29049" class="sup"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;which is really no gospel at all" (1:5-7).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So its really quite plain here that the "other Gospel" which was being preached was about legalism, rule-keeping and attempting to gain righteousness through "works of the law".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This explains why Paul says that "if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;let him be accursed". &lt;/span&gt;Later he said that "all who rely on observing the law are &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;under a curse&lt;/span&gt;" (3:10). Legalism brings a curse on those who try to live by rule-keeping.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In earlier posts in this series I noted that many of these "wrested Scriptures" are used by the very people the texts are speaking about and given another meaning contrary to the one that was intended and turned against the believers. Paul wrote: "some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves" (2:4). Not surprisingly then this passage in Galatians 1:6-9 is also often used by legalists in their attempts to rob believers of their freedom in Christ and to bring them into bondage to a doctrinal creed, a style of worship, a manner of dressing, an organisational structure, or some other man-made way of practicing religion.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2622794407435089949?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2622794407435089949/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2622794407435089949' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2622794407435089949'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2622794407435089949'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/12/wrested-scriptures-5-another-gospel.html' title='Wrested Scriptures (5) - &quot;another Gospel&quot;'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1704764101478357785</id><published>2007-12-06T22:43:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-12-06T22:51:41.828+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><title type='text'>God doesn’t tinker with the mind (2)</title><content type='html'>The following reply by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Tim &lt;/span&gt;was posted to the &lt;a href="http://groups.msn.com/truthalive/general.msnw?action=get_message&amp;amp;mview=1&amp;amp;ID_Message=9873&amp;amp;LastModified=0&amp;amp;ID_Topic="&gt;Truth Alive&lt;/a&gt; forum in response to &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/12/god-doesnt-tinker-with-mind.html"&gt;Russ Brierly's article&lt;/a&gt;. Tim makes some good points and I felt they were worth re-posting here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi Russ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm sorry you didn't get your article published, but I agree with much of what you write regarding the Spirit of God.  The work of the Holy Spirit in us today is an area that much of the Christadelphian body resist, just as the Pharisees of Stephen's day also always resisted the Spirit of God, because the active working of God's Spirit would mean change that threatened all the human traditions that we find.  For taking these verses as they are written and experiencing the presence of God I myself was disfellowshipped.  Yet they do mean exactly what you say. &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot of explanations other than what they say have been presented to me.  For instance it has been suggested to me that they only applied to the first century Christians.  It is suggested we now only get the action of God's working of His Spirit today through the medium of the Bible.  Others suggest that the words really mean the 'spirit-word' a phrase which is to be found nowhere in the Bible.  Yet it is hard to see how the direct working of God could easily be replaced by the indirect effect of our reading the Bible and our interpretations of it within the limitation of words.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;The issue of freewill is a little bit more complex.  If everyone has freewill, then it means a lot of Christadelphians are willfully denying God in their lives by resisting God's Spirit.  In my experience that is not so.  Many simply do not understand.  The idea of God working on our hearts is foolishness to them.  they cannot understand how God could work in them and because they have no faith they cannot believe first and understand second through experience.  So they are trying to understand something that we learn from within in our hearts with their minds.  They are trying to understand too much first without taking the words exactly as they read.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;In practice we do not have freewill, yet it is also true that we aren't automatons either.  We have a will and we are conscious of having a will and of making choices.  Yet we are also under the influence of certain things which cloud our ability to have fullness of will.  We are influenced by our religious upbringings and traditions for instance.  Certain people can have a bearing on our opinions.  Our human nature creates a 'natural thinking' which affects us and the world we live in places pressures on us which affects our thinking and willingness to believe certain things.  We are affected by what nutrition we take in, our state of fitness and health and much more.   We certainly need strength from above to begin to overcome and challenge all the elements which resist God and his message.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;From an Old Testament perspective we most certainly do have freewill, but from a New Testament perspective we do not.  That is because the Old Testament was a shadow to bring people to Christ, whereas in the New Testament we find the reality of Christ and his Spirit spelt out more clearly.  Since the Christadelphians tend to focus on the Old Testament they frequently miss the relevance of Christ and replace it with a focus on empirical doctrines which do not save.  The Spirit of God is very much about Christ and how he and the Father now dwell in us.  The Spirit is 'God in us' and 'Christ in us' and the 'Spirit in us' and the Bible says in Corinthians that 'no one can call Jesus Lord except through the Holy Spirit'.  We have to have a real relationship with God and not simply one with the Bible that he inspired people to write.  It is not the Bible which saves us, but knowing the risen Christ and whilst we can learn about Christ from reading the Bible we have to come to 'know Him' something which is very different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;It is very difficult to get through to many Christadelphians, because they are so entrenched in the idea that they and they alone have the correct interpretation of scripture and no one else can teach them anything.  I believe it is this arrogance that has to be overcome before people will understand the issues that you are talking about.  In our natural minds we are spiritually blind.  None of us can come to God on the basis of our strength or intelligence or ability to correctly interpret scripture and unless we feel God's drawing we cannot come to him, because we naturally think we can see when we cannot, we can hear when we cannot.  God has put us all in the same position of helplessness and yet the BASF doesn't recognise this and claims that people who are idiots cannot be saved.  That's the inevitable consequence of having a form of religion where salvation is dependent upon your intellectual understanding.  Yet in scripture the mentally ill often understood more than the most intelligent leaders of the Jews, because its not about our intellect, but about giving up the heart and to many Christadelphians there is no difference between the two.  In essence you are changed by how much you read the Bible and understand it, not by how much you have given up the heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;It all goes also against the tenor of the scripture, because in the Bible we find it is the poor and weak and despised of this world who are most likely to have faith.  That's because they have least reason to trust in the flesh.  It has let them down too many times.  However they are the ones least likely to have that access to the bible, that training in reasoning techniques, that heightened ability to balance the text.  A book-based method is also contrary to what we read in the acts of the apostles and it would have frustrated the fast spread of the gospels.  They themselves talked of being 'led by the Spirit'.  Yes they had the Old Testament scriptures (the New was not yet written) and they used it to reason with the Jews and see the progression of God's purpose, but primarily it was an oral message spread with a power don't see today in the main.  I think it has less to do with the Spirit only being there to give us the New Testament and more to do with the body of Christ not having the necessary faith and wisdom which comes from experience and which we are still learning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;If the spirit comes purely through the medium of the Bible, then a body of people as well read and studious as the Christadelphians should by now have the perfect faith, yet what we see in practice is often a set of traditions and an adherence to doctrine and statements of faith which is stultifying.  Something is missing and that missing something is power and spirit and life and every time someone realises that they will be more and more ready to be drawn to the leading of God's Spirit.  Whilst they stand in the power of their intellect and interpretations and traditions they aren't ready to turn to God with all the heart.  They have no need for Him.  They've got the Bible and they can read and they are happy to believe that if they know the Bible enough they have God.  That isn't necessarily the case.  I could read everything about you and I would know all about you, but I wouldn't know you and more importantly you wouldn't know me.  You might be happy to have a relationship with me simply by reading all about me.  To me though that wouldn't be a relationship and its not what Son meant by him and his Son making their home with us.  It's a little bit more personal and intimate than that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;Without the Spirit of God we are really serving God through the fleshly mind.  We may have learn through mental discipline to keep the body physically in check, but it's an arduous and unrelenting way to try to serve God.  You won't keep up your mental progress unless you read the Bible enough for instance.  You have to be sure that you have the right interpretations and read the right translation of the Bible and balance it rightly.  It is not like a relationship with God where you can feel your closeness and distance from him.  You will always feel as if you aren't good enough and feel you must always read more and try harder.  If you should have a mental breakdown you are in real difficulties, because it's only with a strong mind that your method will work.  If you cannot absorb the Bible or get strength from its ideas you are now in a very helpless situation.  In fact this constant pressure to move forward through knowledge could break you mentally, because without the Spirit of God we are under law and the object of law is to get you to give up and have faith.  To deny the conclusion as an organisation is to make it very difficult for people to come to the real heart knowledge of God which matters.&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God will not take this resistance of his Spirit lightly I don't believe.  I hope he does find a way to draw the Christadelphians forward and it may happen as the world closes in as it is doing and we find we need more than words and interpretations and find we need God's real presence.  &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Much love and blessings in Jesus, your brother,&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tim  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1704764101478357785?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1704764101478357785/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1704764101478357785' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1704764101478357785'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1704764101478357785'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/12/god-doesnt-tinker-with-mind-2.html' title='God doesn’t tinker with the mind (2)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-7249319274967965561</id><published>2007-12-06T22:28:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-12-06T22:50:20.176+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holy Spirit'/><title type='text'>God doesn’t tinker with the mind</title><content type='html'>The following article by &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Russ Brierly&lt;/span&gt; was recently posted on the &lt;a href="http://groups.msn.com/truthalive/general.msnw?action=get_message&amp;amp;mview=1&amp;amp;ID_Message=9870"&gt;Truth Alive&lt;/a&gt; forum. Russ makes some really good points and I personally think this article is a good contribution to the discussion of the Holy Spirit in the Christadelphian community. The article is re-posted here with his permission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He wrote: "I recently submitted the following article to one of the Christadelphian magazines. I got a pink slip on it and while I am not surprised at the pink slip on the one hand, I believe it’s indicative of a serious problem we have in the community, and that is the fear to discuss openly with Bibles in hand anything which resembles teaching on the subject of the Holy Spirit."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with his conclusion that Christadelphians generally avoid this subject, probably through fear. As a result there is a great deal of ignorance about it in the Christadelphian community. Consequently I also feel that the Christadelphian community is impoverished through its neglect of a very important Bible subject.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know that Russ would value feedback, and discussion is welcomed at the Truth Alive forum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God doesn’t tinker with the mind&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When discussing how God works in our lives recently with a group of brethren, the statement was made by one that “God doesn’t tinker with the mind.” I found this rather troubling for three reasons:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. It leaves my spiritual growth and progress totally up to my own intellectual abilities.&lt;br /&gt;2. My three-score and ten years on this earth has demonstrated that I possess a mind that does need “tinkering with” in a supernatural way.&lt;br /&gt;3. It is not in accord with numerous scriptural passages, or perhaps one might go so far as to say, in accord with a total Biblical theology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God works with us in many ways; through the words of wisdom and righteous examples we find in the scripture; through circumstances, something which we often refer to as providence; through our counsel with loving, God fearing friends; and through the direct impression of thoughts on our mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we look at the concept of God working with us by direct impression of thoughts on our mind, we are talking about God bringing about a change of attitude from the worldly to the spiritual, from the natural to the Godly, from the un-holy to the holy. We are talking about God helping us overcome sin in all its forms. We are talking about God helping us deal with addictions and those things to which human nature can so readily become a slave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In exploring this subject we are looking at the concept of indwelling – God and the Lord Jesus Christ dwelling in us in such a way that our thoughts, our resultant speech and actions, our very being and mindset are representative of Jesus Christ, the one whom we claim to be our Lord. When someone looks at us he should see the Lord Jesus in us just as the early disciples could look at Jesus and see God because God dwelt in him. Jesus spoke of this indwelling in the following manner when the disciples wanted to see the father; “The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Temple of the Holy Spirit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul writes to the Corinthians, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” (1 Cor 6:18-20 NIV). Though most of the spirit gifts appear to have died out over time, the gift of the spirit that Peter refers to in Acts chapter two is very much alive. Paul talks about it as the “earnest of the spirit.” Another version terms it a “deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps Paul was making the transition in his own thinking away from the Jewish concept of the temple being the temple made of stone in Jerusalem as he listened to Stephen. Shortly before the witnesses who stoned Stephen laid down their cloaks at his feet Stephen cried out the words of Isaiah the prophet. These were words stating that the “most high does not live in houses made by men.” He was telling the stubborn Jews that their beloved temple is not the place where God chooses to dwell. As Stephen continued the quote from Isaiah, God himself asks, “where will my resting place be?” The Jews that knew well that prophecy of Isaiah would have know that the answer to that question is found earlier in that same prophecy: “For thus says the High and Lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: "I dwell in the high and holy place, with him who has a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. (Isa 57:15 NKJV) Perhaps it was here that Paul began to see that God would dwell in the hearts of man and that his work would be accomplished through this indwelling, a teaching which shows up so strongly in his writings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Help Those Who Are Being Tempted&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God would indwell in the hearts of men through his power or spirit and this would be channeled through the Lord Jesus Christ to whom he had given all power and authority. In the same passage in Matthew where Jesus states that all authority in heaven and on earth had been given to him he also states his promise to his disciples that he would be with them always, a promise that we can claim today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In John chapter fourteen Jesus talks about a “comforter” or “counselor” that would be sent to help the disciples. The Greek word is ‘parakletos’ and it refers to one who stands along side of another to comfort, aid and help. In John 14:18 Jesus indicates that he would not leave them as orphans but would come to them, this time in another form, a spiritual being with all power and authority and a desire to “help those who are being tempted” and provide strength to the weak and encouragement to the faltering. He is there to help us in our time of need as the following portion of scripture teaches us:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet was without sin. Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.” (Heb 4:14-16 NIV).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Christ in You, the Hope of Glory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul the Apostle writes many times of the uncommon power and energy at work in himself and the people he is writing to that is from God and the Lord Jesus Christ, a power that helps the disciple in his new life:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;· Paul said, ”I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” (Philippians 4:13 NKJV)&lt;br /&gt;· In writing to the Colossians he says, “To them [the saints] God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Colossians 1:27)&lt;br /&gt;· In talking about his work of admonishing and teaching everyone so that he may present everyone “perfect in Christ” he talks about “struggling with all his [Christ’s] energy which so powerfully works in me.” (Colossians 1:29)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;God Who Works in You&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul writes some very warm words to the Philippians encouraging them to continue in the faith. In doing so he assures them that God is working in them toward a good end and that good end is their salvation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.” (Phil 2:12-13)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the Colossians he writes these words:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light. (Col 1:10-12 NIV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The God Who Gives You Endurance and Encouragement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans chapter fifteen is a powerful chapter. Paul is encouraging the Roman brethren toward a spirit of unity so that they might glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ with “one heart and mouth.” He starts verse five with the words, “May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity….” We do not know the exact mechanics of how God will work to bring about the desired attitudes, but we do know that Paul states quite clearly that endurance and encouragement, which are attitudes or mindsets, are things that God works with in accomplishing his will among his people. Verse thirteen is a wonderful expression, found at the beginning and end of many of Paul’s letters, which conveys Paul’s conviction that God and the Lord Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit, work with the attitudes and spirit of those who would be disciples of the Lord Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rom 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. NIV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul constantly recognized a power within himself that was not of himself that drove him to accomplish the things he accomplished for Christ. Consider this verse:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them-yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.” (1 Corinthians 15:10 NIV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We’d like to look at one more passage before we end our tour of a few of those passages that speak to the concept of indwelling. That passage is found in Romans eight, a chapter all of which speaks quite profoundly to the subject. We will look at verses six through eleven:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.” (Rom 8:6-11 NIV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The question of free will.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This verse not only deals with indwelling, but it also deals with the question of free will. Fearing that the concept of indwelling takes away a persons free will is probably the biggest reason why some have difficulty with the concept of indwelling. It may appear to take away ones free will and make them into an automaton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The opposite is the truth. We have free will and can exercise it as we choose. To choose to empty ourselves and let God work in us is a choice we make of our own free will. To refuse to allow God to work in us is also an exercise of our own free will. We have the choice all along, just as Jesus had the choice in his life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We readily accept the concept of miraculous healing. We take the medications, we do what the doctor says, but we still look to God for the healing. We all know of times when the prognosis of the physicians has been very pessimistic yet the miracle of healing has taken place. And when it does occur, whether anticipated by the physicians or not, we give glory to God and recognize that he is the ultimate healer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do we then have difficulty with the concept of God working with the mind or our thinking processes? Why do we work so hard at keeping God out of our mental processes? The answer of course is our human nature. To deny that God will “tinker with our minds” because we do not theologically accept the concept is far different from not letting God work with us because of our human weakness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The concept of indwelling is seen not only throughout the scriptures but it is also firmly embedded in our statement of faith. It is part of the fabric of spiritual growth and faith-building. It is perhaps exemplified best in the words of David, a man after God’s own heart yet a very human being whose human nature too often ruled his being; “Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.” (Psalm 51:10 NIV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Russ Brierly&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-7249319274967965561?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/7249319274967965561/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=7249319274967965561' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7249319274967965561'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7249319274967965561'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/12/god-doesnt-tinker-with-mind.html' title='God doesn’t tinker with the mind'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-7106680851619531143</id><published>2007-11-25T13:37:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-25T13:37:59.920+11:00</updated><title type='text'>Australia's new Prime Minister-elect a "bookish Christian"</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="field field-type-text field-field-body"&gt;   &lt;div class="field-items"&gt;              &lt;div class="field-item"&gt; &lt;p&gt;Kevin Rudd, a man who has been described by the media as "a bookish, intellectual Christian" has triumphed in the Australian general election against long term right-wing incumbent John Howard. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The new Prime Minister-elect has been open about his progressive Christian faith, but has argued that the role of faith is not to dominate the political arena but to contribute to it. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;He declared last year in the journal &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Monthly&lt;/span&gt;: "A Christian perspective on contemporary policy debates may not prevail. It must nonetheless be argued. And once heard, it must be weighed, together with other arguments from different philosophical traditions, in a fully contestable secular polity."&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Rudd added: "A Christian perspective, informed by a social gospel or Christian socialist tradition, should not be rejected contemptuously by secular politicians as if these views are an unwelcome intrusion into the political sphere. If the churches are barred from participating in the great debates about the values that ultimately underpin our society, our economy and our polity, then we have reached a very strange place indeed."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In an article in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sydney Morning Herald&lt;/span&gt; last October, Kevin Rudd wrote about German theologian and intellectual Dietrich Bonheffer, who was killed by the Nazis in the last days of the Second World War: "Sixty years after his execution, Bonhoeffer's gospel of social justice still speaks to us. Regrettably, much of this social justice tradition of Christianity has been drowned out by a new brand of political Christianity which is being systematically exploited in Republican America and John Howard's Australia."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;He continued: "It is a brand of Christianity that celebrates private morality and personal prosperity alone - to the virtual exclusion of equity, solidarity and compassion."&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;According to some analysts Labor's victory will presage significant policy changes including more action on the environment and global warming, the likely withdrawal of Australian personnel from Iraq and a more compassionate approach to migration.&lt;/p&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;       &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-7106680851619531143?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/7106680851619531143/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=7106680851619531143' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7106680851619531143'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/7106680851619531143'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/australias-new-prime-minister-elect.html' title='Australia&apos;s new Prime Minister-elect a &quot;bookish Christian&quot;'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2778521451346398381</id><published>2007-11-23T18:48:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-23T18:52:55.745+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (21)</title><content type='html'>This post continues the series of suggestions as to how Australian Christadelphians  could celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Unity Agreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;4. Above all, love each other&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In looking at the "first principles" we need to  take careful note of the cornerstone of our faith:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The entire law is summed up in a single command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself'." Gal 5:14&lt;/blockquote&gt;All to often Christadelphians focus on doctrinal differences, even to the point of being nit-picking about the smallest detail. Ecclesias have divided over the most trivial things. I was once interrogated for months by the arranging brethren of one ecclesia to determine if I agreed with them about the meaning of the word "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;at&lt;/span&gt;" somewhere in the BASF! If we are obsessed with the tiniest details then it's easy to lose sight of the bigger picture, and to forget that the cornserstone of our faith is "love each other".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8&lt;/blockquote&gt;It's time Christadelphians let go of the past and concentrated on the future: "forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead" (Phil 3:13). One of the best ways Australian Christadelphians could celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the Unity Agreement would be to let go of all the minor differences which have hindered the work of witnessing to the risen Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am painfully aware that some Christadelphians are keeping "dossiers" on various people. One of them recently offered to show a brother the dossier he had on &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;me&lt;/span&gt;! I've actually seen a document, put together by a Sydney sister, which purports to be a collection of heretical statements I've made but which includes writings  by some other unknown person whom she has wrongly &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;assumed&lt;/span&gt; is me. Someone once offered me a copy of a 200 page dossier they had been given on another brother, detailing his alleged sins and indiscretions (I didn't take up the offer!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's time this abhorrent practice was stopped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Love ... keeps no record of wrongs." 1 Cor 13:5&lt;/blockquote&gt;If Christadelphians are truly people of God, followers of Jesus Christ, then they will show the world that they are His disciples by loving each other. "By &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;this&lt;/span&gt; all men will know that you are my disciples, if you &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;another&lt;/b&gt;." (John 13:35). No presentation of "the Truth", regardless of how well reasoned or how convincing will amount to anything if it is not based on a genuine love for one another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If someone has "the Truth" then they will not keep dossiers on their brethren. There should be no record of wrongs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the 50th anniversary of the Unity Agreement could be celebrated with a huge bonfire as all these files and dossiers on other brethren are consigned forever to the flames.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2778521451346398381?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2778521451346398381/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2778521451346398381' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2778521451346398381'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2778521451346398381'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_23.html' title='50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (21)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-5532021292697492816</id><published>2007-11-22T21:30:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-23T10:16:53.112+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (20)</title><content type='html'>This post continues the positive suggestions as to how Australian Christadelphian ecclesias could celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Unity Agreement. In my previous posts I wrote about &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;finding common ground&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;maintaining ecclesial autonomy&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;3. Be Honest&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Australian Unity Agreement spelled out very clearly what the 'basis of fellowship' is for Christadelphians:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; We agree that the doctrines to be believed and taught by us, without reservation, are the first principles of the One Faith as revealed in the Scriptures, of which the Birmingham Amended Statement of Faith (with positive and negative clauses and the Commandments of Christ) gives a true definition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;We should carefully note two important things which are spelled out here. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;First, the doctrines which Christadelphians believe and hold in common are "the first principles of the One Faith as revealed in the Scriptures". &lt;/span&gt;The Agreement says that the Birmingham amended Statement of Faith (BASF) is "&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;a&lt;/span&gt; true definition" of this One Faith, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;"&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt; true definition". In other words, Christadelphians are united by their belief in "the first principles" and the BASF is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;just one definition&lt;/span&gt; of these first principles. Christadelphians accepting the Agreement are called on to agree with the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;first principles&lt;/span&gt;, and not the minor details or specific wording of the BASF. In fact, almost every Christadelphian would disagree with some detail or other in the BASF yet will accept that it gives a true definition of the first principles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, no attempt is being made here to insist on the specific wording of the BASF or of any of the minor details. It is only those doctrines which are mutually understood to be &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;first principles &lt;/span&gt;which are to be believed and taught. There are many other acceptable summaries of these first principles. For example, &lt;a href="http://www.thechristadelphians.org/"&gt;one Christadelphian website&lt;/a&gt; has this sumary of beliefs:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Bible is God's word and the only message from him.It is without error, except for copying and translation errors.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There is only one God - the Father. The Holy Spirit is God's power.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Jesus is the Son of God, and a human being, through his                          mother Mary.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;By living a sinless life Jesus has opened the way of salvation                          from death.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Jesus is currently in Heaven, on God's right hand. He will one day return.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;When he returns he will rule the earth and give immortality                          to those who have tried to follow him and do the will of God. His followers will help him to rule.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Humans are 100% mortal, having no existence when dead. The reward for the faithful is eternal life on earth after Christ's return.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Baptism is essential to gain this eternal life.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;This brief summary illustrates that even the most conservative Christadelphians (because that website is owned and run by some extremely conservative Christadelphians) agree that the first principles can be summarised simply and concisely in about  a dozen sentences. It is such simple and concise "first principles" that the Unity Agreement says Christadelphians believe and teach, and on which they are united.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Unity Agreement goes on to say that any other summary or definition of the One Faith is also acceptable, provided it is in agreement with the BASF on the fundamentals, or first principles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; Acceptance of this basis would not preclude the use of any other adequate Statement of Faith by an ecclesia, provided this is in harmony with the B.A.S.F. understood as in Clause 1 (a) above.&lt;/blockquote&gt;For example, the summary from the conservative website above might be an acceptable one in the terms of the Unity Agreement (although it's not perfect - for example, the expression "Humans are 100% mortal" is clumsy [How can you be 50% mortal?]).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Secondly, what is clear from the Unity Agreement is that ecclesias are not at liberty to add to what was mutually agreed to be the "first principles" and to insist on acceptance of any other doctrine, idea or opinion. Any ecclesia, group or organisation which has additional requirements for fellowship is going beyond the Unity Agreement. You cannot say on the one hand that you accept the Unity Agreement and then on the other hand insist on someting additional. As soon as you add something, then you no longer accept the Unity Agreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If several parties come to an Agreement then &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;one &lt;/span&gt;party cannot add something to it without the consent of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;all &lt;/span&gt;the parties. Yet this is precisely what several ecclesias and organisations have done. Some ecclesias, for example, have insisted on agreement with lengthy explanations of the BASF before they will agree to fellowship other Christadelphians. Some have added "doctrines"  to their 'basis of fellowship' (such as statements about six literal 24 hour days for creation, or the availability of the Holy Spirit). The Australian Christadelphian Bible Mission (ACBM) demands agreement with a statement on divorce and remarriage and an additional doctrinal statement before they will accept someone as a 'field-worker'. The organisers of some combined ecclesial meetings have demanded acceptance of some additional doctrines which are not included in the Unity Agreement in order to participate. This is a contradiction. The imposition of any &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;additional &lt;/span&gt;requirements means, of necessity, that the Unity Agreement is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;not &lt;/span&gt;the basis of fellowship. This situation got so out-of-hand that in 1988 a Conference Business Session passed a resolution that the basis of fellowship at future Conferences would be the Unity Agreement &lt;b&gt;without addition or further explanation.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, autonomous and independent ecclesias or organisations can have their own rules, standards or Statements of Faith. However, the moment they attempt to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;add &lt;/span&gt;to the Unity Agreement they can no longer claim to meet on that basis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's ironic that some of the ecclesias and organisations which are most vocal in advocating the importance of the Unity Agreement are often the ones which are guilty of breaking it by having additional requirements. In my opinion, this is simply dishonest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If any ecclesia believes the Unity Agreement is inadequate &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;(and any ecclesia which has added a doctrine or explanation to their basis of fellowship have, by that very action, admitted that they believe the Unity Agreement is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;in&lt;/span&gt;adequate) &lt;/span&gt;then they should honestly and publicly announce that they no longer accept the Unity Agreement and they will fellowship in future on a different basis. That would be the honest thing to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the Unity Agreement I suggest that all ecclesias &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;claiming &lt;/span&gt;to meet on that basis should remove any additional doctrines or requirements which they have added along the way and return to the simple terms of the original Agreement, or be honest in saying that they meet on a different basis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-5532021292697492816?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/5532021292697492816/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=5532021292697492816' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5532021292697492816'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/5532021292697492816'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_22.html' title='50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (20)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2950812025819249909</id><published>2007-11-21T23:15:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-21T23:49:31.091+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Authoritarianism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (19)</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Digression: The G13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my last post I referred to a group of ecclesias calling themselves simply "a group of thirteen ecclesias", or G13 for short. In the spirit of clause 44 of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt; I called for this group to be disbanded (clause 44 says that such groups "lay the foundation of a collective despotism which would interfere with the free growth and the true objects of ecclesial life").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I recently received a letter from a brother in Queensland claiming to write "on behalf of the combined arranging brethrens group in Brisbane representing 13 Ecclesias". There was no letterhead, the group was unnamed, he did not say which ecclesias made up the group of 13, what his position was within the group, or what the purpose or objectives of the group were. Although he asked me several questions about my membership of an ecclesia and my fellowship status, he gave me no indication as to why he was seeking this information,  why it was important to them, or how it would be used. The letter came across to me as intimidating.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand that around the same time he also wrote to at least one ecclesia seeking information about me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won't be replying to the letter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are at least 3 reasons I won't be replying:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;To reply to this unnamed, unappointed, unaccountable "group" would be to give them legitimacy. In my opinion, self-appointed vigilante groups within the brotherhood are, in Robert Roberts words, a "collective despotism". To acknowledge them would be to condone the intolerable tyranny they are imposing on the brotherhood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Bullies need recognition, and the best way of dealing with bullies is to deny them the acceptance they crave.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This G13 "group" has been stirring up trouble for at least two ecclesias in Queensland. If they think I will help them they must be mad.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;Interestingly, an appeal was recently sent to Queensland ecclesias to help one of these G13 ecclesias. Apparently numbers are declining dramatically and the ecclesia is on the verge of dying (although some might argue that they are already &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;spiritually&lt;/span&gt; dead). On the other hand, one of the ecclesias they are constantly criticising is growing steadily. In fact, just last Sunday I had the pleasure to visit this growing ecclesia. Visitors outnumbered members by 2 to 1! There was standing room only, and the meeting room was overflowing! It's ironic that an ecclesia which is dying and appealing for people to move into the area to prop them up should, at the same time, criticise an ecclesia which is growing, prospering and reaching out to people with the hope of the Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps this is what Jesus meant when He said "let the dead bury their dead". In other words, ecclesias and people which are spiritually dying will spend more time burying those who are already spiritually dead than they will in learning from those who are alive and growing and could help them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2950812025819249909?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2950812025819249909/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2950812025819249909' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2950812025819249909'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2950812025819249909'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_21.html' title='50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (19)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-2726393383114871903</id><published>2007-11-20T20:41:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-21T09:43:56.882+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (18)</title><content type='html'>This post continues the positive suggestions as to how Australian Christadelphian ecclesias could celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Unity Agreement. In my last post I wrote about finding common ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;2. Maintain ecclesial autonomy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Under the heading "Fraternal Gatherings from                Various Places" clause 44 of the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt; says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;These are beneficial when                      restricted to purely spiritual objects (i.e., let the brethren                      assemble anywhere from anywhere, and exhort, or worship, or                      have social intercourse together); but they become sources                      of evil if allowed to acquire a legislative character in the                      least degree. Ecclesial independence should be guarded with                      great jealousy with the qualifications indicated in the foregoing                      sections. To form "unions" or "societies"                      of ecclesias, in which delegates should frame laws for the                      individual ecclesias, would be to lay the foundation of a                      collective despotism which would interfere with the free growth                      and the true objects of ecclesial life. Such collective machineries                      create fictitious importances, which tend to suffocate the                      truth. All ecclesiastical history illustrates this.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The principles of ecclesial independence and autonomy have been cherished by Christadelphians since the movement began. This tradition was inherited from the Restoration Movement (the Churches/Disciples of Christ or "Campbellites" as John Thomas called them) who in turn inherited it from the radical reformation ("anabaptists"). It is well grounded in Scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christadelphian ecclesias are free to make decisions for themselves about how their meetings are conducted, their style of worship, the songs or hymns they sing, their speakers, how leaders or "serving brethren" are appointed, membership, and fellowship. In fact, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt; provides some detailed and specific guidelines about 'fellowship' which ensures that an ecclesia has the right to welcome into fellowship someone who has been denied fellowship elsewhere. It emphasises that this is important in order to preserve the autonomy and independence of ecclesias. The principle of autonomy includes the right for each ecclesia to create or adopt their own Statement of Faith. Theoretically we could have as many unique Statements of Faith as there are ecclesias. The Australian Unity Agreement specifically reinforced the rights of ecclesias to have their own unique Statement of Faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, these valued principles of autonomy and independence are easily eroded whenever groups of ecclesias band together in an attempt to impose their own ideas on other ecclesias. Unfortunately this happens all too often and ecclesias are sometimes pressured into adopting the same hymn book or worship style as their neighbours, or denying fellowship or membership to someone who is 'out-of-fellowship' elsewhere (for whatever reason). In the words of Robert Roberts this is imposing an "intolerable tyranny" on the brotherhood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The fiftieth anniversary of the Unity Agreement would be a good time to disband any "unions", "societies" or "groups" which interfere with ecclesial independence. &lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately, there are several of these groups in Australia. Most States have inter-ecclesial committees which  facilitate exchanges of speakers, coordinate Conferences, liaise with the Government or regulatory bodies on behalf of ecclesias generally, and perform legitimate "fraternal" functions. Queensland, for example, has the South East Queensland Coordinating Committee, New South Wales has the NSW Christadelphian Committee, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, in addition to these &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;bona fide&lt;/span&gt; coordinating committees some States also have "groups" or "meetings" which cause a great deal of trouble. Participation in these groups/meetings is by invitation only and is restricted to ecclesias which follow a particular party line. In Queensland, for example, there is a group which describes itself only as "the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;group&lt;/span&gt; of thirteen ecclesias" (or G13 for short). They meet to discuss the practices of ecclesias which are not in their "group", and generally stir up trouble. They have recently been targeting two ecclesias in their area and writing letters around the country trying to find some 'evidence' that they are fellowshipping out-of-fellowship individuals (and even if they did, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ecclesial Guide&lt;/span&gt; specifically says they have the right to fellowship whoever they please).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Groups like these should be immediately disbanded if the ecclesias concerned are genuine about unity in Australia.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-2726393383114871903?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/2726393383114871903/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=2726393383114871903' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2726393383114871903'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/2726393383114871903'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement_20.html' title='50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (18)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-1536774057832702006</id><published>2007-11-15T07:25:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-15T10:55:11.910+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fifty years of the Australian Unity Agreement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Fellowship'/><title type='text'>50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (17)</title><content type='html'>I'd like to finish this series with a few positive suggestions as to how Australian Christadelphian ecclesias could celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Unity Agreement. In doing so, I want to acknowledge the great work done by brethren of a previous generation. My own grandfather (George H. Darke) was actively involved in the work of reunion in Australia and was on one of the Unity Committees. I had the benefit of many discussions with him over subsequent years about what drove them in those days and how successful, or otherwise, their efforts had been.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1. Find Common Ground&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Australian Unity Agreement was designed to end a long period of division between two groups ('fellowships') in the Australian Christadelphian brotherhood. It recognised that there had been misunderstandings between the two groups for a considerable time because each group had remained relatively isolated from the other and had therefore begun to develop their own theological 'jargon', especially in relation to the atonement. Each group would use &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;different&lt;/span&gt; words to explain the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;same&lt;/span&gt; concepts, so they each thought that the other group believed something different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the achievements of the Unity Agreement was to produce &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;an explanation of the atonement that both groups could agree with&lt;/span&gt; while either avoiding the 'loaded' terminology or explaining it in a way that enabled both groups to find common ground. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Neither group was forced to renounce previously held ideas&lt;/span&gt;. There were no witch-hunts to find people who didn't agree. No ecclesia changed their Statement of Faith. In fact, the Unity Agreement specifically acknowledged that the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;various&lt;/span&gt; Statements of Faith which were in use at that time could &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;continue&lt;/span&gt; to be used. It was acknowledged that these Statements of Faith were essentially saying the same thing, although using different wording. In fact, this situation has continued to the present day and Australian ecclesias continue to use various Statements of Faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is something which is often overlooked by subsequent generations. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The purpose of the Unity Agreement was to find common ground&lt;/span&gt; and to use language which was acceptable to all parties, rather than imposing the view of one group on another. It focused on what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;united&lt;/span&gt;, rather than on what &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;divided&lt;/span&gt;. The ecclesias which refused to accept the Agreement, and thereafter separated themselves from all other Christadelphians in Australia, were those which insisted that they were right and demanded that others renounce their views. They regarded themselves as the only '&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;true&lt;/span&gt; Christadelphians' and the only ones which upheld the '&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;original&lt;/span&gt;' Christadelphian faith as it was defined by men such as Robert Roberts. They have remained isolated for fifty years, and their numbers have significantly declined.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the fifty years since the Agreement was adopted by most Australian ecclesias there has been a tendency by some ecclesias and individuals to focus on the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;actual words&lt;/span&gt; used in the Agreement and to demand that everyone uses these words in the same way they do. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;They have forgotten that the Agreement was designed as a compromise&lt;/span&gt;, which used words with which everyone could agree, and avoided terminology which carried connotations which others would find unacceptable. They have also forgotten that with time words can change their meaning and can carry different connotations. The actual wording of the Unity Agreement may not carry the same meaning for people today as it did for Christadelphians fifty years ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's why, in my opinion, the documents associated with the Unity Agreement are no longer relevant to most Christadelphians. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;What is important, and which should be celebrated, is that fifty years ago Christadelphians made a conscious decision and took a deliberate step to end their differences.&lt;/span&gt; They did this by finding common ground and finding a way to explain the important things on which they agreed, which everyone would find acceptable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From my grandfather, who was actively involved in the work of reunion, I learned that many brethren of that time realised that the only way to end the years of mistrust was to take people at their word. If someone said they agreed with something, then &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they took them at their word&lt;/span&gt;. They didn't cross-examine them to find out if they 'really' agreed. Based on the teaching of Jesus that 'your "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;yes&lt;/span&gt;" should mean "&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;yes&lt;/span&gt;"' they began with the assumption that everyone was being honest and if they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;said&lt;/span&gt; they agreed then they agreed. The Unity Agreement ultimately failed to produce sustainable unity in the Christadelphian community because brethren began to question the integrity of others. They doubted that some people were being honest when they adopted the Agreement, and began to say so. Trust rapidly broke down again and the ecclesias divided once more. Although they were often 'technically' in fellowship ecclesias soon regrouped and formed alliances and went back to behaving as two distinct sub-groups within one denomination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are possibly several ways in which Christadelphians in Australia today could recognise in a constructive way the work done fifty years ago, by looking again for the common ground. Here are some general principles which might be helpful:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;Recognise that there can be &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;several ways of saying the same thing&lt;/span&gt;, and that your way is not the only way, and may not even be the best way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;When listening to other people, or when reading what they have written, look for what you agree with, rather than what you disagree with. Realise that they may also be simply using different words to say something you'd agree with although you might say it differently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;When in discussion with individuals or ecclesias about different points of view, first acknowledge as many areas as possible &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;where you agree&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Take people at their word&lt;/span&gt;. If a brother or sister says they believe something, or that they agree with you, don't ask other people for their opinion. Don't go digging for information to the contrary, and don't conduct a cross-examination. Accept what they say and don't question their integrity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;Here are some suggestions as to how ecclesias might actively encourage this way of thinking:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Ecclesias which meet visitors at the door and present them with a doctrinal statement of some kind and ask for their assent before they can break bread should end this practice immediately.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;While the hard work of all the people involved with reunion should be acknowledged, the actual documents they produced are of little relevance today (except for historical purposes, and to give us an insight into how they got a result). &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The time has come to stop referring to the 1958 Unity Agreement as the 'basis of fellowship'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;There has been a suggestion that the Unity Agreement should be reprinted and a copy given to every Australian Christadelphian. In my opinion this would be a waste of paper. It's unlikely to be read by most, and won't be understood by many who read it. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;It would be far better to encourage an exchange of ideas, some diversity of thinking, and brotherly love&lt;/span&gt;, rather than republish a document which belongs to another era.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;To be continued.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14355716-1536774057832702006?l=christadelphian.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/feeds/1536774057832702006/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14355716&amp;postID=1536774057832702006' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1536774057832702006'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14355716/posts/default/1536774057832702006'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/11/50-years-of-australian-unity-agreement.html' title='50 years of the Australian Unity Agreement (17)'/><author><name>Steve</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-4272482412595090175</id><published>2007-11-07T08:50:00.000+11:00</published><updated>2007-11-07T08:54:41.601+11:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Preaching'/><title type='text'>Tell people!</title><content type='html'>Not everyone reads the comments attached to posts, but there was a recent comment which I really feel deserves to be publicised widely. It's a great story and very encouraging. It was made as a comment on &lt;a href="http://christadelphian.blogspot.com/2007/10/australian-light-horse-in-capture-of.html"&gt;my post about Australian light horse regiments&lt;/a&gt; in the liberation of Jerusalem in 1917.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here it is again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hi Steve&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I looked at your blog and read with interest re the events of 1917. In the British contingent present in the taking of Jerusalem in 1917, there were 3 very young soldiers who all commented on the strange sense of the presence of God and Divine significance in what happened in Jerusalem in 1917. They were Percy Kemp, Vic James and Johnny Eve. They each vowed to find the ultimate significance of these events, and contacted the Dawn fellowship in this connection. Those 3 young men were baptized after WW1, and were renowned in the Dawn fellowship for their evangelical zeal, which they maintained all their lives. Johnny and Vic never married and lived together in a terraced house in Eastleigh, a working class suburb of Southampton, maintaining a lifelong commitment to share the Gospel they had found with others. They lived in that same house all their lives after the 1920s, and for 60 years it was one of the most active centres of preaching one could imagine. They dedicated themselves to spreading the Gospel in a way I never quite saw in anyone else in the Western world. Through personal witness they baptized dozens of people over the decades, the descendants of whom are still within the Christadelphian community. As a zealous teenager, I used to visit Johnny in his home, whose few tiny room
