tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post7670965298485380870..comments2023-10-07T18:37:45.321+11:00Comments on The Truth Will Set You Free: Christadelphian SWOT analysis (4) - the Holy SpiritStevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-31359162588879785162008-08-13T20:09:00.000+10:002008-08-13T20:09:00.000+10:00Phil,Thanks for your comment. Regarding Eph 3 and ...Phil,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment. Regarding Eph 3 and your note that Paul speaks of <I>Spirit</I> and not <I><B>Holy</B> Spirit</I> there are more than enough Scriptures which make it clear that they are the same thing. To demonstrate this I will post an article shortly which lists some of the Scriptures which these these terms interchangeably.<BR/><BR/>I'll also comment in that article on the suggestion that <I>spirit</I> means <I>the Word</I>. In my view there is absolutely no Biblical support for the Spirit-word theory, but I will go into that further in the article which I plan to post shortly.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-40980192448877874242008-08-13T19:38:00.000+10:002008-08-13T19:38:00.000+10:00"strengthen you with power through his Spirit in y..."strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being" (Eph 3:16-19). <BR/><BR/>Hi Steve may i poing ot it says spirit here, not Holy spirit,<BR/><BR/>next verse says Eph 3:17 Then Christ will live in you through faith.<BR/><BR/>Romans 10:17 (King James Version)<BR/>King James Version (KJV)<BR/>Public Domain<BR/> <BR/>17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.<BR/><BR/>I think educating our selves about the Holy Spirit is important, glad your looking at it<BR/><BR/>Maybe this will help Gerry understand how Christ was full of the diety too, because he knew and understood the word and lived it to its fullnes, therefore the word became flesh.<BR/><BR/>Food for thought, regards Phil FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-40730784876615329442008-07-30T21:37:00.000+10:002008-07-30T21:37:00.000+10:00Hi Steve,You ask about my comment "Jesus had "the ...Hi Steve,<BR/><BR/>You ask about my comment "Jesus had "the very nature of God"....<BR/><BR/>When we speak of the nature of something, we speak of its essence, character, and quality. The essence of God, for example, is holiness, purity, sinlessness, etc. The essence of people, on the other hand, is sinful. <BR/><BR/>Jesus was born a man (mortal) with human nature, we know that he was able to be tempted. We also know that he was more than a man, he had the Divine nature as Col. 2:9 says: "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."<BR/><BR/>In the one person of Christ, there dwells two natures: God and man <BR/><BR/>As God, Jesus could stand without the danger of sinning. As man, He could be tempted. Exactly how these two natures relate to each other in one person is not clarified in scripture. But, as you can see, it is possible that Jesus be divine and be tempted at the same time because He was both God and man. <BR/><BR/>Here are some other scriptures that support the idea:<BR/>* In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God....14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth," (John 1:1-2, 14). <BR/><BR/>* "but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior," (Titus 1:3). <BR/><BR/>* For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). <BR/><BR/>* But of the Son He says, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever..." (Heb. 1:8). <BR/><BR/>* "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus," (Titus 2:13). <BR/><BR/>In love<BR/>gerryGerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487287445515827035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-90555019941843831272008-07-30T20:07:00.000+10:002008-07-30T20:07:00.000+10:00Gerry,Thanks for your comments.I agree with you th...Gerry,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that <I>"The Holy Spirit is not just the Power of God"</I>. I like the definition that the Holy Spirit is the power <B>and presence</B> of God, or, as Gordon Fee put it, <I>"the <B>Empowering</B> Presence of God"</I>.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with this: <I>"To not accept the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is one of the reasons that many CDs do not have the Holy Spirit in their lives."</I> I guess God doesn't intrude where He's not welcome or invited.<BR/><BR/>However, I'm wondering where you get the idea that Jesus had <I>"the very nature of God"</I>?<BR/><BR/>I do agree that <I>"It is not about numbers"</I> and there are definitely other places where God is at work.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12519210859079598351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14355716.post-40595625765686133382008-07-30T12:24:00.000+10:002008-07-30T12:24:00.000+10:00Hi Steve,I agree with most of what you have writte...Hi Steve,<BR/><BR/>I agree with most of what you have written but disagree on the following:<BR/><BR/>Christ had both a Spiritual (Divine)Nature and a Mortal Nature.<BR/><BR/>In the case of the existence of God we need to understand that God is not bound by time or space, therefore God existed before all things and exists after all things. In the same way Christ having the veruy nature of God existed before all things and exists after all things.<BR/><BR/>The Bible clearly says that he was there at Creation and it was through him that all things were done. CDs have always had a real hang-up with this but it is something that they need to accept.<BR/><BR/>The Holy Spirit is both separate and part of God. The Holy Spirit is not just the Power of God.<BR/><BR/>The Holy Spirit was a gift to us after our conversion and our baptism. I do not meant that we have the ability to raise the dead rather that the Holy Spirit is in us as a companion in everything we do and think.<BR/><BR/>To not accept the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is one of the reasons that many CDs do not have the Holy Spirit in their lives. By contrast there are some devout CDs who are full of the Holy Spirit and whose lives of dedication and service are witness to the working of the Holy Spirit.<BR/><BR/>Finally: It is not about numbers. If people leave the CDs then so be it. There are other places where we worship and have the opportunity to serve our Lord and Master and where Fellowship isn't withheld to other believers just because they arn't one of us.<BR/><BR/>The Lord's Table is OPEN to ALL who accept the Lord Jesus as their Lord and Master and who serve him.<BR/><BR/>You will always be welcome at Ringwood Church of Christ.<BR/>In love<BR/>GerryGerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487287445515827035noreply@blogger.com